NCAA Football 13 : TSO helps define the recruiting database

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  1. RynoAid

    RynoAid Upper echelon? bitch we skipped lines

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    Posted for Drifterbub..

    For several years now, most would agree that the recruiting features of NCAA Football have taken huge steps in creating a deep, realistic experience. However, for those of you who are recruiting enthusiasts like me, it can be hard to authenticate certain recruits when you know that their measurables would never lend them to their position in real life. Coupled with the fact that there is little to no growth or weight progression in the game and the end result is some really unrealistic player models.

    We've all seen them. The 6'4'' wide receivers who weigh 175 lbs or the 6'5'' defensive ends that clock in at a whopping 180 lbs. Almost every position is littered with recruits that, even if they physically could exist, would be pushed around on the basketball court of any college or university, much less the gridiron. With high school programs doing a great job of preparing athletes for college ball, more recruits are physically capable of contributing early on in their college career.

    While I was down in Orlando for the NCAA 13 Dynasty Community Event, Shaun Mason (@shaunlmason) and myself talked a lot about what a realistic college prospect would physically look like. That topic parlayed into multiple discussions about the progression system as a whole, but unfortunately our ideas were given too late in the cycle for NCAA Football '13 for the development team to consider such a drastic change. As a result, Shaun and I offered to take a look at their recruit database and see what changes we could make to help the generated recruiting classes make more sense.

    What we found was that the minimum weight range for most of the positions was entirely too low for a given height. Much like NCAA Football '12, this would result in the same 'bean pole' prospects being generated, such as the examples mentioned earlier. The approach used to determine appropriate weight and height values was fairly straight forward. A database was compiled of recruits from several recruiting services around the web in which we were able to determine average minimum weights for a given position and height range (It should be noted that we only used the data from real life recruits that received scholarships from FBS universities). Next, to account for the lack of weight progression during the career of a recruit in the game, a small 2-10% buffer was added on to each value to achieve new minimum weight ranges. Comparing our values to the original values being used in the recruit generator yielded fairly large gaps.

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    Figure 1: An example of minimum weights that were being used versus proposed min weight value


    The changes should be a step in the right direction for those of us who enjoy a bit of recruiting realism. Our shortlists for next year include a lot of progression and recruiting concepts that could really shape dynasty mode into a fully immersive experience for all the recruitniks out there.
     
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  2. Colemanchu

    Colemanchu GOAT SPLITTER

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    Definitely a step in the right direction, do they plan on limiting the number of super tall position players as well?
     
  3. Dru50

    Dru50 Still Chicago's #1 son

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    Well done guys. Very good contribution to the product.
     
  4. Big Suge Knight

    Big Suge Knight 5 Star Recruit

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    Great job guys!! Thank you for your contributions.
     
  5. Drifterbub

    Drifterbub Help me hide a body?

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    Thanks guys. It was a good amount of work to flip through a few dozen recruiting databases, but I think we put something together that will really helps recruiting at least appear more realistic.
     
  6. Drifterbub

    Drifterbub Help me hide a body?

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    Sort of. It's kind of interesting how recruits are generated. As I said in another thread, I think the population of recruits in '13 will look a little different with the addition of the triple threat athletes.
     
  7. Ghost

    Ghost Before the rollieee!

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    Great Job guys
     
  8. Drifterbub

    Drifterbub Help me hide a body?

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    RynoAid is taking all my LIKES! lmao
     
  9. ECFIVESTER

    ECFIVESTER 2 Star Recruit

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    In regards to the triple threat athlete ... is the possibility for a TE/DE/LB ala Nkimdeche (of the class of 13).

    And more to this story, great job by the way, the DEs and safeties were some of the biggest culprits, between the undersized DEs and the super tall safeties. No charts to represent these two spots ... possibly?
     
  10. Wyrmreaver

    Wyrmreaver Ready for Madden 15 on Xbox One, lets get it on!

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    Wait..... so no more 5-9, 175 lb linebackers to recruit? Damnit! There goes my defensive mantra, "they may be small but at least they're slow!"
     
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  11. Drifterbub

    Drifterbub Help me hide a body?

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    I have them all. I will post them at a later date.
     
  12. ECFIVESTER

    ECFIVESTER 2 Star Recruit

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    Thanks.
     
  13. fordtuff504

    fordtuff504 3 Star Recruit

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    i just wanna thank u guys from the bottom of my mutha-f&%$in heart, great work
     
  14. Shaun Mason

    Shaun Mason Keepin' it 1hunnah.

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    It's all relative.:)
     
  15. maverickfp

    maverickfp 4 Star Recruit

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    so, i don't mean to be debbie downer. but does this mean they might work on making weight mean something? or is this strictly for number to be realistic aesthetically?
     
  16. Shaun Mason

    Shaun Mason Keepin' it 1hunnah.

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    Strictly for aesthetics.
     
  17. Drifterbub

    Drifterbub Help me hide a body?

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    Its aesthetic this year. I don't think we will see weight, momentum, etc play a role until next gen consoles.
     
  18. maverickfp

    maverickfp 4 Star Recruit

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    roger that.
     
  19. moparjoe

    moparjoe 2 Star Recruit

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    At least it will look more realistic, thanks for touching on the subject. It was kinda irritating seeing #1 DT being 6'4" and a heavy 210 lbs. In my dynasty we would adjust starting weight on the roster and the weight gain from there worked pretty good.
    Good work guys
     

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