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Week 9 - Hockenheimring - Full Sunrise - 12/19/2011

Discussion in 'Tradition Racing' started by jms493, Dec 14, 2011.

  1. jms493
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    I honestly never thought it was a big issue IMO. We have been racing with the same chatter since Forza 2.....I do feel it has been more lately but that because we went from 5-6 racers to now 12-14 racers.

    I am honestly sorry for chatting about BS during the race but I really didn't think I was breaking the rules. I understand the advantage for some silence.

    Lets move on and keep the chatter to a minimum.

    Good race Stevie!
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    I'd started hitting low 1:51's by Friday and thought about posting that in response to your post but I figured I'd hold off and sand bag ya a little......seems to have worked.
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    It was a good pass for sure, it just caught me off guard cause I wasn't expecting it there.
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    Shitty race report.
    I went from 6th to 10th in 2 laps. Steelah and Bacon passed me because I went off the track the first turn. I took the hairpin to fast and ended up hitting steelah just enough that he spun out. Steelah took forever to get back up to speed:D which allowed dylema and JMS to catch up. So I finished 10th...
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    Ca$ino You're Killing Me Smalls

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    Race Report:
    I started in 1st and new that with my awd that i would be able to get ahead quickly. Then I noticed Delzaster behind me and my pack leading wouldnt last long. My car feels really squirrelly on this track with cold tires and I had a tough time keeping it in check through the first lap. Del finally passed me around lap 2 then I saw hellisan closing in. I always make it tough for him to get by but I lost traction and speed and he got by me. I figured this is where I would have finished but steve had other plans. We usually race close but not this time. He was in the zone and passed me quick. I was able to hold on to 4th position but I was worried when DC was behind me but he was never able to get in position to overtake. I think he lost it at one point as my 100 to 400 ft/yds whatever gap grew to around 2000. Im happy with how I drove. Wasnt perfect and I would have liked a podium finish but Steve earned this win. Congrats stevie.


    Chatter:
    I thought the chatter was kinda excessive but not much different from most of the other races. I thought the talk about only getting 1 or 2 stars for the hairpin went on too long but most of the other chatter was race related. For me, I like the chatter as when we have had total silence during a race, I tend to get tunnel vision and start either driving like an old lady or like a total dumbass.

    I hope no one quits and we finish up these last two races with the same fun we have had all season and we start up a new series.
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    to be fair i was in the zone :) an all i could hear was all the girls calling out my name as i went through the stadium section at the end of each lap

    1st woohoo

    @DC didn't feel or notice a thing sorry dude
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    Hellisan Schemin 'em up

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    I'm really happy for ya, and I hope that we finish out the last two races. We won't race on the 26th however... I think the field would be tiny.

    @everybody: We all continue or the series is over. Put the disagreements and ugliness behind us. I will be more assertive if people are stepping out during the race... I apologize for the role I played in this... If it's over, that's fine. I have some awards I'm going to be giving out.
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    Talking on the mic: Should be kept to an absolute minimum. The mic is there for us to inform others we are going to pass them, or that we're losing control, in and out of the pits, or for whatever other race-related reasons we might use it for. We can talk afterwards if we like.

    If people don't like my abruptness then don't consistently week after week over step the mark, then to not even get the point and realise but take to the forum and talk about concentration etc etc just makes me wonder. It's nothing on you at all Helli it is down to peoples personal morales and standards and lately they have dropped. I definitely pick up on Jms's point and have been guilty of saying good race etc etc while others are still racing and i'm wrong for doing that i'm sorry mate. The reason I have loved racing here is because it's great fun but also has standards in the rule above that's pretty much always been adhered to for the past 2 years. Also the beaty of our racing group is that we have 2 types of racer, we have people that want to push Helli by spending time on the cars and push the limits and we have a group of what I call a weekly racer and there is nothing wrong with either but respect is needed for both. Over the past 2 years I have heard Jms say keep it down or you didn't call that move etc to me as well as others and I have always said sorry mate and we have carried on in good fashion. There have also been many times I have been trying to ask when the pit window is and cos of constant talk I have had to ask more than once then we get into the race and someone says when is the pit window etc. I just think if a couple of people listened a bit more n had a little more respect it would be better. As I have said previously my language and way I went about was wrong and im sorry for that but it should have only needed saying once. You also need to take into account in the heat of a race where pushing hard in a low pi car is not easy the results don't just land in our laps they come from tuning and practice and hard work to get the most out of the car and driver. Like I said before sng was looking at his first win of the series and Helli was trying to stop that (in a nice way lol), both drivers were pushing and on the limits and 1 error probably would have decided the winner. That also equates to the rest of the field dc is trying hard to catch me in the series and fend of sng as the rest of the pack are trying to gain ground also.

    I remember in the early days I planted Jms and ruined his race at Le Mans totally my fault and right away I felt really bad and said I am so sorry mate I missed my braking point and was in the wrong. I was more than prepared for him to swear at me and id have took it like a man because racing gets tense and I was clearly in the wrong. Were adults here not cry baby's and accept words when were in the wrong. That's my way.

    Bottom line is the above rule should be adhered to and I was wrong to shout and i'm sorry for that because that meant I then broke the rule and I realise that. The forum words after made me very angry cos I felt it was about other things and the point of the rule had been missed.
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    LOL probably not loud enough to stop me when im on roll buddy lmao. I just feel sometimes things need saying before they can cause an accident as its too late then. Also then if you award the win or place after it sometimes doesn't always feel earned etc. I also feel anyone should be listened to first time during a race etc but then it also still surprises me that people get confused as to whether im joking or serious. I love fun n good times but when rules constantly get broken I have a snap that an alligator would be proud of lol. I don't really do subtle it's a fault I have i'm black or white baby lol.
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    When are we going to race Tuesday 27th?
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    Not your fault mate. Lap 3 or whitchever lap is was when you got by me I thought I was really catching you and Casino through the last 2 corners, so much so that I had to manuver to avoid you. It was at that point that both of your cars shot ahead 50 feet and I heard the crash. Like I said anyway the Stang just didn't feel the same as testing. I had nothing for you regardless. Great drive mate.
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    i'm unsure about the 26th but could do the 27th
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    If we're completely banning idle chatter, then I'm going to have to step out. As I said before, if there's no chatter at all, then I'm going to overfocus and I'll be exhausted by the halfway point. Then I'll just be a danger to others on the track, and I have no desire to take anyone out. There's a few games I can't play without talking to people, and Forza is one of them.

    And @ Del: I get the point. But half of your argument is that it's disrespectful for the people racing for a win, and that our chatter is going to force them to lose focus and wreck. That's a concentration thing, whether you want to believe it or not.

    The fact that you say we have no standards or respect because we talk a little bit is just ridiculous. Every form of racing involves people talking. Listen to a radio in a NASCAR race, and drivers will chat with their crew about random things for just a few sentences at a time to keep them from getting tunnel vision. I just don't understand how you find people saying a couple of sentences here and there, for maybe 2% of a lap, to be the worst thing ever, when in almost every form of racing, drivers chat the same amount...
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    I didn't even know what you guys were speaking about. Even in the most general terms. Unless it applies to me I will completely block it out. I never heard any discussion of the stars for turns or whatever.
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    I don't know what the right move is at this time. The idle chatter doesn't bug me and I didn't realize it was bugging Del to the extent it did. I am going to call and end to this though, since you're stepping out. Good series, guys.


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    I will re-open this thread tonight... I just wanted to make sure we quit with the back and forth on this issue. I believe we know where everybody stands, and that further regurgitation of our respective positions will prove fruitless.


    The rules were pretty clear, I just didn't know anybody was having such an issue:


    Talking on the mic: Should be kept to an absolute minimum. The mic is there for us to inform others we are going to pass them, or that we're losing control, in and out of the pits, or for whatever other race-related reasons we might use it for. We can talk afterwards if we like.

    So in the future I would call for gracious communication on the mic when requesting less chatter... And if you just ignored the rules and/or feel that you NEED to talk a lot to race :rolleyes: then it is what it is. A lot of this comes down to me... I clearly didn't enforce the rules.

    I feel that a simple "please quit with all the talking" would have been very direct, to the point, and gotten the job done. And if it didn't, I would expect discussion with me and let (or whomever is running the series) deal with it next time.

    I feel safe in assuming the same would go with a Realistic Racing league; you would contact Del if the proceedings were not going as well as you expected or something wasn't right.
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    Roggie

    Let me spell it out in simple terms you may be able to understand.

    here are just a few examples of previous races before you joined the group.

    RS200 - Road Atlanta - Jms called for quiet and asked for people to call moves as 1 wasn't called and it caught him out
    Muscle cars - Mugello - Quiet was called for and moves were to be called
    V8 Supercars - Suzuka - Quiet was called for
    Current Series - I think it was at the Ring - Jms called for quiet
    As well as many other times

    The clamping of idle chatter thing is not something new here it's been this way long before you were even a Tradition member. Looking at your most recent post in your first paragraph you had no intention of keeping to the rule anyway and you then go on to post 2 other paragraphs that don't even matter because weve had high standards on idle chat and what happens here is what matters not Nascar. In the past quiet has been called for and I have always had the brains to realise that driver has obviously wanted quiet and respected them. You have no argument you were wrong end of.

    To all other drivers

    If idle chat caused you to not hear a move being called (which is why the rule is used) where ever you are on the grid and it caused you to total your car would you all say nothing then.

    I find it funny that in a room of adults you focus on a bit of swearing and not a blatant disegard for a rule weve had for ages to protect the standards of the racing here.
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    I'm done with this conversation. Helli just said to stop the back and forth, so I'm not sure why you keep trying to continue it. I'm ending this before we continue to make ourselves look like immature kids. I'm also unfollowing this thread, so I won't see any responses.
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    I just had a great idea!!!!!!!

    Let's just continue the series and adhere to the rules from here on out. :thumbsup:
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    Agree Bondzai, but if we don't I will definitely create something else to keep us racing week in and week out.
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    that's the best idea
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    Bond and sng... DelZaster quit. Roggie quit. That is just the two that I know of. Including the #2 guy in the stnadings and the only guy that has a chance to catch me. Am I supposed to just assume that Del is bullshitting again with this attempt at quitting? I begged you back once Del, I'm not going to get on hands and knees again. You guys let me know what you want to do.
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    I'm ok with either continuing on without those two or with just calling it a series and starting a new one. I just want to race.
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    I think we start fresh with a new series. I really enjoy them.
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    I agree we will continue racing one way or the other. I may or may not be in the series but it may be more fun wtihout me there. Either way I will help set it up. JMS wants to start something right quick here... So I will definitely be involved in forming that race series if possible. We will listen to what has been said about multi-classes, more finishing places that have over 1 point for a greater spread in the standings, etc... Also, I don't know what you guys think, but about 5 races is probably the sweet spot for a series.. 10+ may be pushing it. What do you guys think about that one.

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