>>>>> 2013 OFF-SEASON: Free Agency + Scouting DEADLINES THURSDAY 11/15/12

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  1. CHUNKNESS

    CHUNKNESS Commissioner Quality Simulation Football

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    FREE AGENCY DEADLINE: Thursday, 11/15/12 @ 6pm EST

    SCOUTING AND PRE-DRAFT TRADE DEADLINE: Thursday, 11/15/12 @ 8:30pm EST

    2014 DRAFT: Thursday, 11/15/12 @ 9pm EST



    Gentlemen, we have created a solution for the dreaded salary cap glitch.

    The salary cap has been turned off and we will be monitoring your Team Salaries individually. You must comply with the salary cap and remain under the cap at all times. Simply put, everything online remains the same... FA bidding, re-signings, trades, and the draft. The only difference is that we are just dealing with flat contracts; no penalties. Yes, bonus offerings still count and are applicable to each player’s annual contract, but you won’t need to worry about the penalties incurred when trading/releasing a player with bonus on his contract. Attempts to manipulate the cap due to the lack of penalties will result in punishment determined by the staff.


    HOW TO VIEW YOUR TEAM SALARIES

    While in the online CCM; select the upper right tab and proceed…

    MORE… > STRATEGY (WHISTLE ICON) > TEAM SALARIES (MONEY BAG ICON)

    YOU are responsible for managing your team salaries to remain under the cap. Jim has recorded a video of each team’s current Team Salaries amount and will post it for everyone’s reference. Any team that exceeds the salary cap as a result of over-bidding in free agency will be required to keep the signed free agent on their roster and release enough players to create the necessary cap space The signed free agent will be suspended for eight (8) games total (not weeks).

    The Salary Cap per season is as follows…

    · 2014: 137.50M
    · 2015: 142.5M
    · 2016: 145M
    · 2017: 145M
    · 2018: 145M

    The following trade rules apply immediately following the 2014 draft…

    TRADE RULES
    · ONE in-season trade
    · THREE off-season trades
    · ONE Blockbuster trade per season involving ONE player 90+ overall from each side
    · THREE players/picks per trade MAX
    · PICKS for PICKS trades are unlimited


    The following players remain untouchable until the glitch affected teams can sign them in pre-season FA…

    PACKERS

    ROLB Clay Matthews
    TE Jermichael Finley
    DT BJ Raji
    FB John Kuhn
    LG TJ Lang
    RE CJ Wilson
    FS Morgan Burnett
    WR James Jones
    LT Marshall Newhouse
    SS MD Jennings
    SAINTS

    TE Jimmy Graham
    FS Malcolm Jenkins
    FB J. Collins
    RT Z. Strief
    LOLB K. Misi
    LT C. Brown
    HB K. Williams
    CHIEFS

    RG J. ASAMOAH
    DE T. JACKSON
    FS K. LEWIS
    LT M. STARKS
    LG R. DURAND
    CB J . ARENAS
    RG A. CALDWELL
    LOL A. STUDEBAKER
    FS D. WASHINGTON
    QB J. JOHNSON
    TE T. MOEAKI
    FB C. CRUSOE
    WR D McCLUSTER
    MLB J ESKELSEN
    QB R. PERRILOUX
    RAIDERS

    HB - D. McFadden

    LT - J Weldheer
    K - S Janikowski
    LG - K Boothe
    WR - D. Heyward Bey
    SS - M. Mitchell
    LE - G. Hardy
    P - Z. Shea
    CB - J Tryon
    LT - Z Hurd
    QB - R. Lindley
    C - A Parson
    CB - B McCann
    HB - A Green
    WR - D Calhoun
    BEARS

    FB H. Unga
    TE K. Davis
    C R. Garza
    C E. Williams
    SS M. Wright
    DT M. Toeaina
    LT J. Webb
    ROLB G. Hayes
    MLB P. Angerer
    CB T. Jennings
    LOLB M. Kiwanuka
    WR J. Ford
    K R. Gould
    QB J. Cutler
    WR D. Hester
    CB C. Tillman
     
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  2. thafuture3886

    thafuture3886 Power Rankings Analyst

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    Unsure how i feel about this one. I know we're just playing the hand we were dealt but to basically have no cap penalties could be a bad thing. Weren't the cap hits/penalties a major deterrent from keeping people from just cutting guys with large salaries so they can have more cap space? If we're going forward with no penalties what's to stop somebody from just cutting all their old guys with high salaries?

    Edit: How did other leagues deal with this issue?
     
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  3. Michael Overman

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    Not sure I understand either...so all teams that have been trading away bonus money players...are completely off the hook, and bonus money does not apply now or in the future? This def. sucks for people who have been good with cap and planning for the future. 5 teams are now receiving the dreaded FA glitch, but now all 32 teams must keep manual control of their cap and bonus money never applies anymore? Is this the case? It is possible I don't know enough about the problems this glitch has caused...but I just can't see effecting the entire 32 team league now...and moving forward for the rest of Madden 13. Def. deflating to not have bonus money and cap management being more of an issue. Front office and management is more arcadey without bonus money and penalties IMO

    I realize you guys have tough decisions to make and I sympathize and appreciate all the effort (can't be said enough actually)
     
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  4. klaximilian

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    This, plus now i have maybe 30 minutes to scout and prepare for the draft. If everyone else is cool with it tho, I'll just suck it up. Dont want everyone else to be put on standby because of my disagreement.
     
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  5. Michael Overman

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    I just logged into the file before work to see what we are dealing with... def a huge mess....with no cap anywhere...I feel for the 5 teams...and now I feel for all 32 teams. I know ea presents problems (almost incessantly over the years), but this one is severely deflating. This league with simd seasons seems to be a lot more about Front office stuff and cap management in addition to gameplay. I'm shell shocked that there is no more perusing screens looking at cap and penalties.
     
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  6. thafuture3886

    thafuture3886 Power Rankings Analyst

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    Also to add, say for an example someone signs a free agent to a big contract in season 3 and then cuts them in season 4 during the sim or before season 5 because they felt they didn't need him and there's no penalty for it. What's to stop that?
     
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  7. CaptMoe

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    I don't agree with this move either. Something that only affected a few teams is being turned into a league wide issue.
    I won't be home until after 9pm tonight so basically, I cannot prepare for my draft, either.
    We didn't shut the cap off for the last season. I don't see why we have to do it now...
     
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  8. Miki1369

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    Just wanted to point out that cap hits from previews years were going to expire after this off-season, so going without a cap would only affect trades and releases made from here on out.

    The Team found a solution to the cap glitch to help teams affected by it, now these teams are able to make bids on FAs this off-season.

    How did they do it, well by removing the Cap any of the commish could make offers from there teams as if the teams affected were making the offers... then after the FA is over the commish would trade those players to the teams that made the biggest offer. Example the Raiders could not make an offer to DE Osi so i told Jim to put in an offer for me with his team, now if my offer is the best offer made to the player and he signs with Jims team, then he will trade that player and his contract to me.

    Now, moving forward... i think we should turn the cap back on after the Draft, this way we make sure that future releases or trades do take an affect on the cap. Maybe EA puts out a patch for this issue between now and next off-season, and if they don't we can always turn the cap off next off-season and teams who incurred cap hits will have to deduct them from their total cap space next year.

    Just brainstorming here guys...
     
  9. Hulk_hagen_55

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    i dis agree too. im sorry for the guys with the cap glitch, but we had workaround. then we decide to change how our cap structure works from this point forward... definatly makes some of my moves mute and im sure others as well. are we able to turn salry cap back on later in the chise or is this once its done its done and how it will be?
     
  10. Miki1369

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    Also i like the idea of Blind Bids for the teams affected by the Glitch, im not sure why we moved away from that option. We are basically doing the same thing now by removing the cap, as the affected teams are not able to make their own FA bids now anyways.
     
  11. redlishus

    redlishus PMFL Staff - El Guesser

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    Smh. No one had issues when it was the 5 teams with glitches. Now that the playing field had been leveled and everyone feels the affect of the glitch there are issues galore.

    The work around sucked. Basically made the glitch teams unable to participate in free agency. I know I know I could have"guesstimated" what it would cost to resign my players and hope for the best that I would have enough after free agency. I ask you, would you want to happen? If you say you wouldn't have a problem with being glitched, I would say your lying.

    I also dont get the complaint that you don't have time for scouting now. It was always Wednesday free agency ends and draft Thursday which is still the case.

    Its not perfect but either is eas product again.

    If anyone would like me to step down as an owner please say so...
     
  12. Warhawk AKA dreadman

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    (y) I just want to play (y)
     
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  13. klaximilian

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    Hmmmm, without sound too critical because I know you guys are trying to find the best solution to this problem:

    - Is this reversible at all? Can we just flip the cap back on and it will be the way it was? Honestly, this pretty much negates everything we've done from a GM perspective thus far with caps being reduced to flat cap. No bonus = very little GM action. We can add and drop players at will with no consequence. It also makes all the work we've done thus far moot, and rewards those who spent irrationally because now they use this as an escape for bonuses/large contracts.

    - It also kind of makes the every other season being simmed pointless, IMO. What's the point of building a team if we can't even have a salary cap in place.

    No offense meant gentlemen, but this pretty much screws the entire league. I honestly feel for the guys that were impacted by this, but how exactly is this supposed to make it better? We went from 27 owners having an advantage and 5 being at a slight disadvantage (lets be real, FA is not going to make or break your team....and the FA talent this year is not rich) to crippling the league's cap system and GM concept just to bring everyone on the same level.

    *obligatory apology for crapping on this idea*
     
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  14. klaximilian

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    Scouting was supposed to be available last night after FA. Some of us work Troy, and can't make it home in time to scout and draft. But it is what it is. If they want to rethink this, great. If not, we move along.

    No one is asking you to step down. Don't be a drama queen.
     
  15. Michael Overman

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    levels the playing field...I think you mean decimated the playing field

    lol at ending with you will step down as an owner...drama central...deep breaths
     
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  16. redlishus

    redlishus PMFL Staff - El Guesser

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    Pot calling kettle black.
     
  17. klaximilian

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    How so? Im not stepping down because people disagree with me.

    King of vague comments strikes again. (Dum Dum Dum)
     
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  18. thafuture3886

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    To my knowledge, if we continue on with the way it currently is, almost every team will be effected by this glitch so each of us will most likely feel the pain. Does it make it better? Of course not, but turning off the cap and having no penalties takes away from the most important aspect of this CCM which is GM skills/cap management. Personally, i do feel for the 5 owners that have this glitch, it sucks and even worse if you have plenty of cap space and planned on making some moves in free agency but it's the hand we were dealt. I'm sure other leagues have had this problem and have dealt with it keeping the cap on so why can't we? Not saying i have a better solution but to me the current solution is not a good one. No offense to anyone.
     
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  19. CHUNKNESS

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    Guys enough. Take it someplace else. The guys with the glitch got the ass end of the dick. We're working on a penalty solution and will post it up. The draft time will not be changing.
     
  20. redlishus

    redlishus PMFL Staff - El Guesser

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    How about we all just agree to disagree here? Let's just play football.
     
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  21. klaximilian

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    Now there's a new one. :confused:
     
  22. Casino

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    After doing a internet search, I haven't found anywhere where this glitch is being described unless what I'm searching the wrong thing. So if this isn't a problem for the many leagues out there that I'm sure if it is a problem would show up in a search than maybe its not a glitch at all!! Have we gone back and examined the deals these teams have done that could have put their cap situation as it is. If not I think that should be done before we change what we do for only 5 teams. Seems cruel but I think its more cruel to change how it should be done for only 5 teams. I think what we can't find out is who have these teams cut over the last 2 seasons that could have been significant cap hits that we no longer have to post to notify the league. It appears to me that these moves could have been self inflicted for if it was a true glitch that why doesn't it affect more teams in the league.

    Looking back at transactions from the 1st season, Packers released 7 players, Saints 23, Chiefs 21, Raiders 21 and Bears 16. But what we don't know is who did they release that could have been big caps hits after that point until now. Same with trades, Packers only made 1, Saints 2, Chiefs 2, Raiders 3 and Bears 4. But who are in those deals that could have been big cap hits? IMO if the problem isn't affecting the majoring of the teams in the league then why make chances that will. This cap issue haven't been an issue in 2 other leagues I'm in so I don't know or can believe its a glitch. I think its a product of their own mismanagement as harsh as that sounds.
     
  23. thafuture3886

    thafuture3886 Power Rankings Analyst

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    Google Madden 13 salary cap glitch and stuff should pop up..too bad they're all blocked at work so i can't see lol :doodie:
     
  24. redlishus

    redlishus PMFL Staff - El Guesser

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    I'm over the cap by 1.3 billion....
     
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    Scanning over it I guess it is a glitch. Sucks that we have to do this as I'm reading that once you get the glitch it doesn't go away. Guess Doug have to do what he have to do.
     

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