*ANNOUNCEMENT* Trade Rules Revised!

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  1. CHUNKNESS

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    Gentlemen, with the implementation of the online CCM comes the need to make changes to our rules to account for the new system. As much as we hate to change rules, the reality is that the online CCM is about team building. As a result, we have changed the trade rules to enforce a cap penalty limit. This will allow teams to make as many trades as they want during a season as long as those trades fall under their cap penalty limit for the season. This is effective IMMEDIATELY and will apply to any and all trades. If you've already entered into agreements with teams, please revisit your trades to make sure they comply with the cap penalty limits. The rule change is as follows....


    T.3 TRADE RESTRICTIONS

    Teams are allowed ONE "BLOCKBUSTER" trade per season which involves the exchange of any player(s) rated 90ovr or greater. ALL teams involved in the "BLOCKBUSTER"trade will be credited with their "BLOCKBUSTER" trade for the season regardless of whether or not they are receiving a player rated 90ovr or greater in the exchange.

    There is no limit to the volume of trades per team, the volume of teams involved, or the volume of players/picks involved in an individual trade as long as each team involved does not exceed GREATER than one half of their available cap space in cap penalties incurred.

    The total available cap space MUST include the team's cap penalties already accumulated for the season including prior trades AND releases. Accumulated cap penalty info for each team can be found in the online CCM in the Salaries menu. If the cap penalty incurred through a trade is GREATER than one half of their total available cap space, that team CANNOT incur any more cap penalties through trades. The team's cap space available does NOT include any cap space created with the trade proposal.

    EXAMPLE: The Vikings want to trade Adrian Peterson. With the trade, the Vikings would incur a 5M cap penalty. The Vikings currently have 25M in cap space and have already accumulated 9M in penalties via player releases and other trades. Therefore:

    Cap Space Available: 25M x .5 = 12.5M allowable penalty after trade

    9M existing penalties + 5M current trade = $14M total penalties

    The total penalties in this example, 14M, would be GREATER than half of the Vikings 12.5M total cap space allowable, and therefore, the trade would be disallowed.

    For trade limit purposes, the definition of "SEASON" begins with the off-season retirements phase and ends with the conclusion of the Superbowl. There is no limit on the number of draft picks that a team may accumulate via trade.




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  2. thafuture3886

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    Cool with me
     
  3. Michael Overman

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    SoundsGood
     
  4. klaximilian

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    Good amendment. This will discourage trades at face value, which could really screw someone's cap up (and then bolt leaving a new owner with a mess)

    I like it.
     
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  5. CaptMoe

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    Does the CCM track the penalties or is this something we will have to do individually?
     
  6. LtJustice

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    You can view your penalties for the current season and next season in the CCM on the "MORE... / Strategy / Team Salaries" page.
     
  7. ferocious

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    I for one dont know as far as cap space goes if this is the correct cap space for the worst 10 teams according to what Jim posted in the beguining of the season, since Im not at home to check PS3:

    NEW YORK GIANTS - $ 4.56
    BUFFALO BILLS - $ 4.25
    CHICAGO BEARS - $ 4.04
    WASHINGTON REDSKINS - $ 3.74
    DALLAS COWBOYS - $ 3.38
    PITTSBURGH STEELERS - $ 3.27
    DETROIT LIONS - $ 3.05
    ATLANTA FALCONS - $ 2.86
    BALTIMORE RAVENS - $ 2.46
    SAN DIEGO CHARGERS - $ 1.75

    But if this is correct, then these teams cant trade shit. At least not anyone worth while. Because if any player in this team has a cap hit of $2M then they are screwed, eventhough the trade at the end of it all would make their cap space better in the long run. So I dont agree with this, but it is what it is. Every franchise in any Madden is about Team Building so this year being a CCM does not make a difference. To me it dont make a difference, I can play with my roster the way it is. But just my opinion...
     
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  8. Juan Valencia

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    I'm one of those teams affected by this and I agree with Alonzo. I cant trade jack even if the trade benefits me cap wise in the future. So why should i be forced to release someone when they have actual trade value? I'm not the only one affected by this and I just dont see the actual benefit to the league as a whole, just the few teams that have cap flexibility. I'm one that agrees with a structure to trades but to have that structure handy cap me from making at least 1 trade does not make me happy.
     
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    By not being able to trade shit, do you mean trading your two best players away in a package deal for someone else's two best players?:p
     
  10. CHUNKNESS

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    The limit will remain the same, but we will revise the rule to include cap space gained/lost with the trade transaction. It will be up to the owners to calculate it. All they'd need to do is take the Cap Savings figure from the salaries page and subtract that from their cap; then add the cap savings figure from the team of the players acquired. The result would be the total team salary to calculate the team's cap space available.
     
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  11. Juan Valencia

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    :confused:INFORMATION OVER LOAD:eek::doodie:
     
  12. CHUNKNESS

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    We're giving you what you are asking; but with the penalty limit still applied. I will outline it in the rule revision when I have time to address it. Jim will be posting an example.
     
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  13. ferocious

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    Lol. Yes I would always do that if it saves me $.
     
  14. thaexistence

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    Lol guys. Let's repick teams if this is so bad. Im sure a bunch of guys would die to switch. Not that I want to.
     
  15. LtJustice

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    Ok Guys, here is the down and dirty on how to calculate trades. It might seem a little confusing, because we have to adjust our team salaries for players leaving and players coming, as well as figure out player penalties and team penalty limits.

    I tried to make this as detailed as I could, I would be happy to answer any questions about it.

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    Trades in 7 Easy Steps:


    1. (Existing Team Salary) -SUBTRACT- (Total Cut Savings for all players traded away in current trade) +ADD+ (Total Cut Savings for all players acquired in current trade) = (New Team Salary) After Trade

    2. (Salary Cap) –SUBTRACT- (New Team Salary) = (Adjusted Cap Space) Total Cap Space available if the trade went through

    3. (Adjusted Cap Space) *MULTIPLY* by .5 (or divide in half) = (Maximum Allowable Penalty)

    4. (Cap Penalty Per Player) = (Bonus) /DIVIDE BY/ (Length of Contract) = Bonus Per Year; Then (# of Years left on contract)–SUBTRACT- (1 year) *MULTIPLY* by Bonus Per Year = Gives you your future penalty

    5. (Total Trade Penalty) = Add up all (Cap Penalty Per Player) for every player traded away in current trade

    6. (Total Penalty) = (Total Trade Penalty) +ADD+ (Next Year’s Existing Penalty)

    7. Final Determination: If (Total Penalty) is not greater than (Maximum Allowable Penalty), the trade is valid from a salary cap standpoint.


    INDEX:

    Existing Team Salary = “Salaries” from “Team Salaries” page

    Cut Savings = “Cut Savings” column from “Team Salaries” page (per player)

    Salary Cap = “2012 Cap” (reflects current season) from “Team Salaries” page

    Next Year’s Existing Penalty = “2013 Cap Pen.” (reflects season after current) from “Team Salaries” page



    Example Trade Offer:

    Let’s say I (The Panthers) wanted to trade WR Steve Smith to the Dolphins for HB Reggie Bush.

    1.a - Panthers Existing Team Salary ($112.18M) SUBTRACT Steve Smith’s cut savings ($4.53M) = $107.65M My team salary without Smith

    1.b - Take that team salary ($107.65M) and ADD Reggie Bush’s cut savings ($4.52M) = $112.17 My (New Team Salary) with Bush’s contract

    2. - Subtract the (New Team Salary) $112.17M from the Salary Cap ($120M) = $7.83M My (Adjusted Cap Space) after removing Smith’s contract and adding Bush’s

    3. - My (Adjusted Cap Space) $7.83M multiplied by .5 = $3.915M My (Maximum Allowable Penalty)

    4. - Steve Smith has 4 years left on a 4 year contract with an $8M bonus. So $8M divided by 4 years is $2M per year in bonus. 4 years left on the contract, minus this year equals 3 future years left. 3 future years multiplied by $2M (bonus per year) = $6M future penalty for Smith (Cap Penalty Per Player)

    5. - Steve Smith is the only player being traded away, so $6M is the (Total Trade Penalty)

    6. - Add the (Total Trade Penalty) $6M to the Panthers existing 2013 Cap Penalty (Next Year’s Existing Penalty). In this case there is no 2013 Penalty, so $6M plus zero = $6M which is the (Total Penalty)

    7. - Final Determination: With a $6M (Total Penalty) after this trade and only $3.915 (Maximum Allowable Penalty), this trade would NOT BE an allowable trade against the salary cap.
     
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  17. klaximilian

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    Im a little confused. That's a hell of a post though...
     
  18. LtJustice

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    We can always go back to counting the cap space a team had before the trade. ;)
     
  19. CaptMoe

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    Is there a reason why these rules are being implemented? Does CCM not take cap penalties into consideration?
    I just feel like I'm gonna have to get an MBA to be able to decipher whether or not I can trade for someone.
    I really appreciate the time the staff is putting into getting this thing off the ground but it seems like time being spent on things that I don't understand how they can be detrimental to the league. If an owner makes trades that accumulate cap penalties, won't that affect his ability to re-sign star players the following season?
     
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  20. klaximilian

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    People will underestimate the long term ramifications of the cap if they don't pay attention to it and acrue massive penalties. If that owner leaves, the new guy that comes in will be fucked, and most likely hate his time in the league.

    If you think everyone is paying attention to the changes in this year's league, CCM and the every-other-year structure, you have a lot of faith in our owners. I do too, but I know someone will screw it up badly. It's nearly inevitable.
     
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  21. PepperNY

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    makes no difference to me really. I will just pull a Jerry Reese and not make any trades, build through the draft and add some role players in FA (y)
     
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  22. LtJustice

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    Like I said, I wanted to be as detailed as possible, baby steps if you will. I could have glossed it over and assumed you know what I meant. In reality, this should be stuff everyone is considering when thinking about a trade. Even without the added wrinkle of acceptable penalty, everyone should understand exactly how a trade is affecting their salary cap. Things are different this year, even down to how the game calculates penalties for trades (or releases).

    Even if you never trade or we didn't have the penalty restriction, these are the things we should be trying to understand in order to successfully run our franchises.
     
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  23. CaptMoe

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    Thanks TJ. It does serve as a protection in the case of an owner who has to step down...
     
  24. CHUNKNESS

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    Give that man a dollar!

    I, for one, thank you Jim for all of the time you put into that! Nobody can say we didn't try to help.
     
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  25. Broncos218

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    Think I got it, but a bit confused by one thing:
    I thought initially the cap penalty meant the bonus for the current season. But w/ the steve smith example, it looks like it's all of the bonus except the current season. For example if I release a guy with a 10M bonus on a 5-yr contract, I would incur a 2M cap hit, 5 times. Since everything in this trade structure is dealing with only the current season's salary cap, doesn't it then make sense to use only this season's cap hit, and not someone's total multi-year cap hit? If the new trade structure says I have $5.5M maximum allowable penalty available for this season, I shouldn't have to include someone's 2015 cap hit in my maximum allowable for this season.
     

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