coaches to coordinators

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If one of our coaches gets an offer to be a coordinator at another school, can he take the offer?

  1. Yes. It would be unrealistic to not be able to consider it and involve this.

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  2. No. The coordinating thing and simming half games is lame and meeting goals could be uncontrolled.

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  3. Not sure. Let's see how the coordinator thing plays out for others using it first.

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  1. vatechhokie01

    vatechhokie01 Anglican Priest and Beer-snob

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    We will be starting as Head Coaches. I simply think starting as coordinators will be to unknown at this point (obviously 1/2 of your game being simmed) and also want everyone to start out as the same position, knowing some probably have zero desire to coordinate. That said, I'm guessing small school coaches might get big-time coordinator offers in subsequent years. How do we handle this?
     
  2. Goose

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    I'm not sure yet. It would be very realistic to be offered a coordinator position at a better school, but then we have coaches who are only controlling half the game, while others have to beat the CPU the whole game. I think just for that reason we outlaw it.
     
  3. mmullen8

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    I want to vote yes...because that is more realistic and pretty sweet BUT it takes half the game out of user hands and puts it in CPU. Also, you don't have the recruiting goals to meet....

    In real life yes....

    for the league....lets wait and see but probably not
     
  4. vatechhokie01

    vatechhokie01 Anglican Priest and Beer-snob

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    i basically agree and lean towards outlawing. but at the same time, all the unknowns kind of make it intriguing and realistic right? like its your choice if you want to coordinate. you have to know that if you do that, you have to sit there half the game, not factor in recruiting to your approval rating, etc. in summary, my biggest concern isnt even with the playing half the game or recruiting not mattering for approval, but rather with how the goals will be implemented by EA. sure seems that to be a def coordinator could be tough: you have no control over your terrible school's scoring and the game is historically more offensive-minded. will there really be a chance for much success as a def-coordinator. then again...what a challenge! and someone has to get fired!
     
  5. AndyVanSlyke

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    wait and see is my vote. or the school offering a coordinator position must be say 3 stars higher than your current school.
     
  6. Sceptic21

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    I don't know guys, that would put a big damper on the carousel. I don't want to be at Kent for 8 years or whatever until I'm finally given the HC job at a mid level school. It will help us build our resumes. I think it would be interesting to go from Kent to Air Force OC for a few years then to big time PAC-12 school. It would make the game much more dynamic imo. Remember, The Cathedral is not really about wins and loses. It's about getting to the big time programs, and is more focused on the coaches' milestones instead of our teams.

    The Abbey is the league really focused on Wins and loses. We won't be switching schools or trying to make goals, besides beating each other!

    I'm not sure if anyone read what they talked about with the recruiting. NO MATTER what your position is, you will be the recruiter for your school. So if you're an OC, you can focus on getting all offensive players (which would be stupid) and ignore the other side of the ball, but it will hurt the team in the long run if you plan on staying with that team for a few years.

    Remember that if you're an OC, whatever happens on the defensive side of the ball is irrelevant. If you're exceeding your goals on offense, you should be able to compete against equally matched schools, unless your defense is completely garbage.
     
  7. mmullen8

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    Well it is a good thing no one cares what you think.....

    completely joking...good point Poop Tank
     
  8. vatechhokie01

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    first of all, and again... well done rookie. you are making friends quick with your involvement!

    as for what you said, some good points. However, I will say this: one of the issues you actually raise (unintentionally) is one of the reasons we need to wait to see how it plays out. What I mean is: being a coordinator AND being responsible for the entirety of recruiting is silly. First and foremost we are sim-players so we will never promote or particpate in fales recruiting (all offense as an o-coordinator) for instance. But at the same time... how can you NOT favor your side of the ball, which in turn makes this task totally un-realistic of an undertaking for a coordinator. But then forcing a coordinator to auto-recruit (personally I feel this is the best option) is boring as crap. Who wants to only play 1/2 of every game AND not recruit. Anyways, this is why coordinating from the get-go is unwise I believe. BUt I do want to see it play out cuz I'm with you... most realistic is definitely having that option on the table (I would love to do it!)

    Some options we could try (and I think would be quite fun/realistic) is to come up with a number of schollies that a coordinator could give out. This would allow the computer to auto-recruit the rest and would also offer a quite-realistic recruiting position to a assistant coach. BUt again... even this would be on somewhat of an honor-system (which I'm fine with cuz I trust everyone except you you lil punk).

    Anyways...great thoughts. We need to keep the conversation alive cuz it would be really fun and ideal to include the coordinating.
     
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    "(which I'm fine with cuz I trust everyone except you you lil punk)." as per the commish in above post.......you told me we could only say "young punk"...or was that just for me and the Clemson/probationary..

    So Spetic, young punk, did make some good points....but vote to leave as is, which is what the commish said in his opening post, we are are going to be head coaches.....so why we wandered down this path is a mystery...
     
  10. Sceptic21

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    I know we are starting as head coaches of course. I was talking about future years climbing the ranks, gramps.
     
  11. Goose

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    I still say we take the 'wait and see approach', as awesome a new feature this is I still have some concerns. We're still going to try to have a few OOC user games right? If I'm the OC, I don't want to put my chances of winning on the CPU D stopping Hokies vaunted run game, I mean I'm the only one that can put his star RB on the PUP list aren't I? Also if the CPU is ramped up, it's not fair to the other guy to have to play half the game against a tough CPU. I say we wait a few seasons. If nobody gets reasonable HC jobs then we open the talks on Coordinators.
     
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    This is exactly what I was thinking. Although personally I wouldn't take a coord job anywhere because this IS still a game and I want to play both sides. Not let the computer play for me.
     
  13. Goose

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    Piss Off. I hope it rains until you leave. lol ;)
     
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    It rained here everyday in this piss poor state.
     
  15. Goose

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    That makes for a bad vacation. Hope the kids still had fun.
     
  16. vatechhokie01

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    see i see both sides. first, yes, we are all starting as heads and this is just a discussion about promotions to coordinators. But back to the issue, I think it would be quite intense to play another user and only be able to control the offense/defense. Not to mention, the W/L doesnt matter. Just your performance. Personally I think that would be fun for a season (but I also might get really tired of it!) Not sure.
     
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  17. Sceptic21

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    Yeah it definitely has to be a group decision. But just to let everyone know, when it comes to User vs. User games, even if you're an OC, you play both sides of the ball. So that unbalance will never become a reality.
     
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    ....Here's a article from easports' website. I highlighted the stuff concerning our discussion. It's a really good article. It gets me pumped up!

    Hi NCAA Football fans, NCAA Football 12 designer Jordan Peterson here, and it is my privilege to provide you with a more in-depth view of one of the new features in Dynasty, Coach Carousel. Coach Carousel has been one of the top requested features each year from the community and the new addition of coaches, and contracts, will add even more depth to Dynasty.
    When starting an Online, or Offline Dynasty, you will be able to create a new coach or use an existing coach. There are three coach positions available: Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator and Defensive Coordinator.

    As the Head Coach, you will be in control of the entire team and held accountable for completing contract goals both on and off the field. Coordinators, however, are only responsible for their side of the ball, and the CPU coaches will run the other half. Only controlling one side of the ball creates additional drama to your Dynasty games as you watch each play of your CPU controlled offense attempting to march down the field for a game-winning drive. This can keep you on the edge of your seat, cheering your team to pull out the victory.

    In addition to the appearance options available when creating a new coach, there are a few that will affect the path your coach takes while climbing the coaching ladder. In particular, along with your coach’s playbooks, your coach’s Alma Mater may come into play later on during the Coach Carousel, so be certain you have it set correctly. Without getting into too many details, when considering potential candidates, schools will take a closer look at a coaching candidate who went to their school.

    I know the commissioners out there are wondering what type of setting options there will be in Online Dynasty for Coach Carousel. First, commissioners will be able to determine the starting Prestige and Coach Position for the Dynasty. Meaning the commissioner can set the Dynasty to start from the bottom of the barrel as a One Star Coordinator and climb their way to the top as a 6 Star Head Coach. The ability to move teams around via Custom Conferences provides even more flexibility, challenge and depth.
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    Whether in Online or Offline Dynasty, you will be able to preview each contract before signing with a particular team, as well as that school’s current roster. Each contract displays the goals the school is requiring for a particular position, their positive and negative impact, and your starting Job Security.

    As a Head Coach, schools will offer contracts that require efficiency in recruiting and often have a focus upon overall number of total wins, bowl game appearances, and team rankings. Coordinators should expect contracts that focus on their area of expertise, but will also be on the hook to ensure that their side of the ball is excelling on the field.
    Each goal in the contract is important, as both Coach Prestige and Job Security are impacted by passing and failing these goals.

    The arrow indication next to each goal highlights how important that goal is for that particular contract. Job Security determines if you are at risk of being fired based upon your completion or failure of your goals. The lower a Coach’s Job Security percentage is, the greater the risk of being fired.
    There are three varying types of rewards for the goals. Required, but expected goals, will display as more red arrows than green. This is a base requirement for this contract for the school and it is expected that the coach must pass this goal. Then there are balanced goals, with both red and green arrows, that the school considers as something the coach should pass and is less challenging. Finally, the bonus goals are the goals with only green arrows. The school considers these stretch goals for the contract.

    In addition to goal types varying by coaching position, goals are also tuned by prestige. A Head Coach at Akron (lol) will not have the same objectives as a Head Coach at Alabama. As the Alabama Head Coach, you may be penalized for not making it to a bowl game. However, as the Akron Head Coach, your contract may provide a bonus for making it to a bowl game. There are also unexpected goals that may not appear on the contract, but can provide a boost for overachieving coaches.

    The type of goals for a Head Coach will differ from Coordinators rather significantly. As a Head Coach, there are goals for bowl wins, total number of wins, rival wins, recruiting, final conference ranking and even recruit visits. Coordinators, however, are focused entirely on their half of the game. Their goals will largely focus upon their on-the-field achievements, such as sacks, interceptions, passing touchdowns, etc. They will also focus upon total number of wins. Keeping these goals in mind as you are playing will, in turn, affect your play style.

    For example, if you’ve failed a few goals already and you’re on the hot seat, plus you have a goal to reach 1000 yards in a single season, you may change the way you play knowing that you must pass this goal in order to help keep your job. In this scenario, the coach goals add a significant amount of pressure to the game.
    Coach Prestige rating impacts several areas of the game including Recruiting, Player Progression, and the quality of the teams that could potentially be interested during the Carousel Stage. You will also notice that during a recruiting phone call a Coach’s Prestige rating is dynamic. Given all the areas it may impact, including potential job offers during the Carousel, Coach Prestige becomes a vitally important rating. Completing goals within a contract is just one way to improve Coach Prestige.
    Another method to influence Coach Prestige during the season is by either beating a higher ranked team to gain a small bonus, or alternatively, losing a game to a lower ranked team, which will slightly decrease your Coach Prestige.
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    At any point during the regular season, the Coach Central hub is available to view more information about your Coach’s progress on his goals, edit your Coach Philosophy, or to track the progress of other coaches around the NCAA.
    During the regular season, the Contract Feedback screen will display direct feedback from the Athletic Director on the latest events impacting your goals. It will also display updated Job Security percentage and Passing, Failing and In Progress goals. Also, any weekly penalty or bonus for beating a better team, or losing to a worse team will be displayed here.
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    The Job Security screen will display the current Head Coach and Coordinators for every school, along with the number of years remaining in the contract and their current rating. In an Online Dynasty, you will be able to see how the other human-controlled teams are faring in the Dynasty. From here, you can start to track how you think the Carousel may play out during the off-season. If your dream job is to be the Head Coach of Michigan, this is where you can track how hot the seat is getting in Ann Arbor.
    The Coach Philosophy screen is where you can edit all of the Sim information for your Coach. This is particularly useful if you plan on simming ahead a few seasons since these settings have a significant impact upon simulations. Finally, in Coach Info you will be able to create new additional User Coaches or edit any existing coach, including physical appearance and both offensive and defensive styles.
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    Recruiting has also seen some changes due to the addition of coaches. While any of the coach positions can recruit, only the Head Coach will have recruiting-related goals in their contracts. Coordinators can handle the recruiting as well, but they will not be held accountable to do so via contracts. As the Head Coach, the impact you have on your team’s recruiting is evident through the dynamic Coach Loyalty and Coach Prestige ratings. Now, Coach Loyalty will be impacted by how long a Coach is at a particular school, if they have met their goals and if they have signed any contract extensions. During a phone call with a recruit, you can now expect to see the Coach’s ratings dynamically update, potentially helping (or hindering) your weekly phone calls.
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    The Coach Carousel screen is the first option available in the off-season portion of Online Dynasty. The Carousel will display any job openings that may occur as a result of a contract expiring, coaches being fired, leaving for a better job offer or even retiring. In an Online Dynasty, the carousel will jump from one player offer to the next player’s offer. If there is any one member that is slowing the Carousel down, the commissioner can always step in and advance the Carousel.
    Several characteristics are taken into consideration when a School offers a new job or even an extension to a coach, including their Prestige, Playbook Style, and Alma Mater. As you advance through the Carousel, schools will evaluate their current coaches, determine if it is necessary to take any action on their contract, and consider other coaches that may be considering job offers.
    Schools will only offer a Coordinator contract to a coach that has experience on that side of the ball. For example, if Tulsa is looking for an Offensive Coordinator, they will not consider Defensive Coordinators. However, schools may also decide to promote a current Coordinator to a Head Coach. Should the unthinkable happen, and a Head Coach is fired, their expertise in a particular side of the field will be considered when they are offered a Coordinator position.
    Occasionally, coaches will accept a job offer even if they are mid-contract if it’s a better job, or if it’s their Alma Mater. This will cause unexpected jobs to be added to the Carousel, which can mix up subsequent coach maneuvers. Essentially, even just one coach’s decision has ramifications across the NCAA. The domino effect from one six star school changing its coach can potentially have ramifications all the way down to offensive coordinators of a one star school.
    For example, let’s say it’s year 10 of a Dynasty and Michigan hires South Carolina’s Head Coach because he’s an alumus. South Carolina then hires USC’s Offensive Coordinator because of his offensive style. USC then hires San Diego State’s Head Coach to be their Offensive Coordinator, because of his coach prestige. San Diego State then promotes their Defensive Coordinator to Head Coach because he’s also an alumnus, and so on.
    After the Carousel has been completed, advancing to the next week will expose the Carousel summary, which will provide a detailed overview of changes that occurred during the Carousel.
    That wraps up this blog for Coach Carousel, be sure to check back this week for more NCAA Football 12 information.
     

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