Couple of Questions

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  1. jonskinny12

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    Hey guys, I just finished my first game in the online dynasty for NCAA 12. I stumbled a bit with an INT and a couple missed field goals (had to settle for another field goal after 1st and goal on the 3), but came out on top 17-3.

    I have a couple of questions, one about kickers and punters. Can I put my punter in as my field goal kicker? I didn't see it on the list of position changes, and my punter was already set as my kickoff specialist. My punter has a kick power rating of 93 while my kicker's kick power rating is like 70 and couldn't even kick a perfect 41 yard field goal (1 MPH wind). I just left my kicker in for the game but don't want to break a rule by putting in my punter to kick field goals in the future.

    My other question is about the 4th down rule. Do we have any special league rules there? For example, I had the ball 4th and 3 on my opponent's 28 up 7-3. With my kicker, I missed the 45 yarder short. Of course I don't want to punt from that spot on the field, and with such a bad kicker there's no way I could make the field goal. Are the 4th down rules in this league pretty strict according to the specific situations listed on the rules page?
     
  2. White Walkers

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    From Overdrive's set of rules....regardless of how bad your kicker is you can only go for it on 4th and 1 or less, but you have to be on your opponents side of the 50. You can go for it anytime in the 2nd half if youre down by two or more TD's. You can go for it anytime and anywhere on the field if at all you are losing in the 4th quarter.
     
  3. BigKing

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    I think the rookie has a point and we should discuss. #1 I have no issue with a punter being used as a kicker. Plenty of examples where that has been done in college football. #2 There is a point in the field in both the NFL and NCAA that you move from punting to taking the FG. Depending on the kicker, the conditions, the score, the distance to 1st down, going for it should be an option. I'm not saying we should allow going for it on a 4th & 2 in your own territory in the 1st quarter (@Magoo), but at your opponent;s 30 on 4th and 2 knowing your kicker can't get it there, you should not have to be forced to punt. Just my two cents.
     
  4. jonskinny12

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    Thanks for the answer to #1. That's what I figured, but didn't see it on the list so I just wanted to clarify.

    On #2, that was kind of my point. I'd prefer it to be more open and just count on us not being douchebags about it, but sadly we can't always rely on that. I know we have rules for 4th down on the rules page, but those are also copied from the general TSO rules and say that there are exceptions that will be handled on a league-by-league basis. So I wanted to check if we had any exceptions. If there are no exceptions other than those explicitly listed, that's fine.
     
  5. ClayRocks

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    As far as #1 goes, I don't have any issue with putting your punter in to kick FG, hell maybe I should have thought of that with Clemson this year and I would have been able to make some FG's.

    #2 isn't so easy. There are several different opinions on this one and we probably do need to bring it up for discussion again because of that.

    So let's get the discussion going. BigKing Magoo C Young WreckEm27 Cocky Marine eberdeeber Chris Rouse jonskinny12 dj illmatic 23
     
  6. ClayRocks

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    Just brain storming here: :eek:

    What if we say, users have 1 or 2 wild-cards a game. Meaning, you can go for it any down or distance no matter where you are on the field or when it is in the game. After you use your wildcard, then back to normal rules. This might allow for more sim coaching, because your hands wouldn't be tied, but you also won't be able to go for it everytime.

    In a user game, something like this would have to be managed between the users who would be talking over their mic's.
     
  7. dj illmatic 23

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    The only problem I have with the wildcard rule is 4th and inches is almost automatic in the game. I've seen more stops in that situation watching a single college or NFL game than I have in all my years playing NCAA. there is nothing more frustrating than making a key stop, and then having them get the first down anyway going for it on 4th and inches, especially in their own territory. In the OD I run, I made the rule simple. You can go for it on 4th down anytime inside your opponents territory. This allows for some coaching decisions by the user that are realistic. If you're at your opponents 35 and it's 4th and 8, your kicker may not have the range and if the punt goes into the end zone you don't gain much, so you may go for it. This is a situation that happens all the time in real life, so I still think it's sim. I worded the rule the way I did, because it's easy to remember. It can be dificult to remember all the rules for an od or mix them up with another league you're in, so I always tried to keep mine simple and short. Now according to my rule, if you're on your opponents 49 and it's 4th and 10 in the first you can go for it as well, which is not sim. However, I never had a problem with that, because I played with good sim players that understood the spirit of the rule. Also, I figured anyone that came in new and went for it on 4th and 10 on their opponents 49 in the first, was not sim, and would eventually break an actual rule I could boot them for. What if we made the rule you can go for it anytime inside your opponents 35, and anytime it's 4th and inches inside your opponents 45.
     
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    Also, I have no problem with making kickers and punters interchangeable.
     
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    I also agree with how LV is handling it.
     
  11. dj illmatic 23

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    It's a shame I didn't get The U. I would have enjoyed beating you on the field and in recruiting every year.

    How about we move everything from LV in five yards, so never in your own territory, up to 4th and 1 from your opponent's 49 to 40, and 4th and whatever from your opponent's 39 in.
     
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    Ask Chris Rouse about how recruiting against FSU went. Anytime I'd let Miami get a decent recruit the'd transfer to FSU the next year.

    I'm assuming you mean never in your own territory, unless down late in the game.
     
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    Thanks, I edited it. I'm not sure how anyone lets FSU beat them at anything except draft busts and firing legendary coaches who made you what you are in the first place. The U and FSU recruit different types of players. The U produces NFL all-pros and Hall of Famers, while FSU produces more wasted draft picks and an occasional good player.
     
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    I really wish you would been able to get Miami. Oh well. But if you want a good look at Florida State, be sure to tune into the National Championship game.
     
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    Im down with LV 4 th down rules.
     
  16. White Walkers

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    whats lv damn it?
     
  17. dj illmatic 23

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    Legendary Veterans. Their forum is right above ours.
     
  18. White Walkers

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    gratitude.
     
  19. Magoo

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    I would agree with the LV rules, and Big King your defense is second to the LEGENDARY ALABAMA DEFENSE!!!!
     
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    whats alabma?
     
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    smart ass
     
  22. jonskinny12

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    I also like the LV rules. I'd probably make different rules about going for it when the game is tied or with a slight lead, but that's making it too complicated.
     
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    aw :(
     
  24. ClayRocks

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    I agree with this. I think this makes more since and I believe is more sim. Mostly, never in your own territory.
     
  25. BigKing

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    Ok let's consider the rule changed. Anything else we need to look at?
     

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