(F14) TFSerie B Discussion

Hotsauce will be joining the league, effective immediately. He has chosen Monaco and Argentina as his teams

Go Devils please play your World Cup match as soon as possible.

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Soo can someone explain to me...if i lose the ball in your half am i supposed to completely abandon all hope of winning the ball back until it's back in my half? Should you have to make a reasonable effort to clear the ball? If I lose the ball but 5 of my teammates are surrounding you (who has the ball) am i supposed to just let you have it? just looking for clarification.

pretty much

If I get this wrong someone please correct me because I have made mistakes myself. If you are in my half and lose the ball three things can then happen:
1. I get solid control of the ball. If I do this you should back off and not attack till I enter the center circle area of midfield.
2. You regain the ball before I can get to it. You then continue on trying to attack the goal.
3. You lose control of the ball but both of our players attempt to secure the ball at the same exact time. If this happens, the ball is free to whoever can fight for solid control of the ball.

One other thing that I also want to make sure we get clarification on is if I make a errant pass my opponent can intercept it in my half of the field but should send it back to his half before continuing attack. I think that is how a bad pass should be played.
I know some of the rules may seem hard to understand, and I'm guilty of not agreeing with all of them, but they are set to help make it competitive for everyone and not a arcade type game.

I send a lot of those bad passes back, probably 2/3... it depends

You guys have a great thing going here. The website is awesome, seems like you've got a lot of good dudes in this league. To me, sim [short for simulation] means mimicking the real sport. I've played in many sim leagues. All football to this point. All of which had rules - don't nano-blitz, don't put a WR in at TE, don't go for it on 4th and long in your own territory, etc. Soccer is my favorite sport. I know in-depth about almost every aspect of how it is played, as I'm sure many members here do. By disallowing pressure on in the attacking half of the pitch, you are essentially taking away the very thing you all want [clean, possession fútbol] I think. If I am restricted from my ability to pressure in the 2nd half, then there is almost no reason for build up play for 2 reasons. 1) Why put men forward if when you lose the ball you will be forced to peel them back as quickly as possible 2) A large advantage to those who play possession soccer (as opposed to counter, longball) is that when you lose the ball you have men forward to A) force the ball back to the keeper B) force a clearance or C) quickly regain possession.

I am all for fair, mature play without bullshit, but I enjoy possession soccer, as I enjoy SIM soccer, and I'm afraid I cannot enjoy either with these rules in place. Therefore, I'm afraid I've gotta dip out. I appreciate your time. Good luck. Let me know if anything changes [like maybe allowing 1-man pressure without contain-assist].

You probably should talk with RedAL925 or Frenchie1916 before you decide to quit. Don't take everything I say as the end all of how it is. I do have to wonder though, did you read the rules before agreeing to join the league?

I will, but the only thing in the rules that's close states


"Therefore, we do not expect to see:

• 100% aggression tactics (constant defensive pressure entire match)"

And forgive me, but there's a huge gap between "100% aggression tactics" and "you can't touch the ball when I have it on my side".

Can't say I don't agree with you on that one. Hope you change your mind.

hotsauce23187

WingedHelmet put together a little vid to help show what to do under certain situations that may help clarify some questions:


Pressure used to not be much of an issue at all in our league when we started here back in FIFA 11, with the main thing basically being "don't grab your forwards and run all around the field trying to bait opponents into poor passes or tackling the ball away from them in their own defensive third," or in other words, no excesive pressure. However, when FIFA 13 debuted, the game became much more attacking-focused, and with that, you now see multiple AI players dart up the pitch right after you lose the ball. For example, I play a 2 CDM formation most often, and those guys should never be SPRINTING up field at the opposing defenders once the ball has already been turned over- but that's what happens nowadays in FIFA. So in order to curtail the all-out attacking that FIFA brought us, we have to be much more mindful with how our players pressure opponents.

Part of the problem we encounter is the disconnect between what happens on the pitch and what happens in this game crafted for us by EA. We understand that Barca and Borussia Dortmund are possession-minded teams that will immediately pounce on your team in order to regain possession once the ball is lost, regardless of field position. But in this game, the player controls are limited. Once you press a button, you are locked into that decision, even if you change you mind before your player has actually taken that action. In real football, that doesn't happen - if you see a passing lane is closing down, you change your mind and look for a different route.

But more to the point, what Broncos218 said is right - EA has elected to push players forward, regardless of what we as managers would have them do. CDMs now find themselves in areas of space usually occupied by a traditional No. 10. LB and RB join attacks with frightening regularity, even when they have no part in the play, leaving two lumbering CBs to cover pacey strikers all on their own for quick counters.

What we're trying to do is create balance. You can still create beautiful possession-style goals with off-angle runs and the like, or you can choose the counterattacking route, if your team has the pace for it. We've just tried to create a game whereby the game is played as it's supposed to be played - passing, possession, angles, etc., not just blasted through balls to the wings or lobs over the top to fast guys, looking foe 1-on-1s vs. the keeper.

If this doesn't suit you, fair enough. But it's the way it is and, until EA presents us something better, the way it's going to stay.

I change my quick tactics a lot. And against hotsauce23187 at first I had High Pressure / Offsides trap to see if I could jam up the midfield and win the ball back immediately in MY END. I also was playing defensively in pressure, not balanced or attacking. And yet within the first few minutes my CDM bombed up field when hotsauce23187 had posession and won a CPU tackle just outside of the 18 yard box.

Of course I immediately bombed the ball out of bounds, but this is an example of the AI being jacked up. The CDM had no business being that far up field. Sometimes it happens. But you just gotta correct the situation.

Not trying to get into an argument with anyone. Just saying...accidental tackles happen to even the most cautious of us. CPU is very dumb sometimes

if we allowed tackles to take place that far up the pitch it would just turn into a pace dominated, ultimate team style gameplay. I think we all can agree, that style is decidedly unrealistic

You can make a custom formation so LB/RB/CDM doesn't run forward as often. As I said earlier, you can make rules about contain-assist in the final 3rd. But zero pressure? What if you're losing and the winning team seems to be taking their time? Is it realistic for the losing team to sit there and watch?



I guess this would have been disallowed

1 - custom formations are not allowed due to past abuse - (i.e. guys making 6-1-3 formations)

2- If you're losing later in the match, upping the pressure is allowed. The rule of thumb is about 10 minutes per goal you're down. Even then, that pressure has to be within reason - no guarding goal kicks, no guarding throw ins deep in your opponent's defensive end. Period.

3- time wasting in your own end is not allowed. If you have the ball and you want to take it down to your opponent's corner and hoild it - have at it. But holding the ball in your own end is cheap and not kosher.


And no, that Ibra goal would be allowed - England had the ball stolen as they were on the attack in the Sweden end. Sweden launched a long lob to Ibra, who banged it in. That's how a lot of goals are scored in this league - quick counters off of breaking up attacks.

If Sweden had stolen the ball halfway into the England half, passed to Ibrahimovich, who scored - that would not be a kosher goal in this league.

yea the keeper failed to clear the ball... that's a free ball that you can go after. If the opponent fails to clear the ball you can go after it, that's why I said I return about 2/3 of the interceptions. If I deem that they were clearing it or trying a risky long pass to start the attack I usually will keep the ball but if they miss their guy or it seems like a computer error I will kick it back

Just for clarification, on misplaced passes with no pressure you can keep the ball. Just recycle it back to your side of the pitch and start your attack

I know I keep some of those but it's a lot more difficult to explain my reasoning for those haha it's more of a coin flip/how I feel the match is going

And if you don't honor it my ass will come slide-tackling. You can be sure of it.

I think you guys missed my matchday 9 on the table and schedule.

If someone could post the scheduling thread for this week it would be appreciated. CPU-less til tomorrow

Table and stats should be up to date, if i have missed something let me know please.

My browser must be jacked. Normally I can just switch the IE and it works just fine compared to chrome. But now it's showing just the Serie A table with no tabs. Weird.

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