Fedor signs with....Strikeforce?!?

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  1. NYJuggalo45

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    Fedor signs with....Strikeforce?!?

    http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/fedor-signs-with-strikeforce-18883

    Fedor is a bad bad man, but I am starting to get the feeling that he is ducking the UFC and the bigger/tougher fights. He signs with Strikeforce, for less money that he would have made in the UFC, to fight guys like Fabrico Werdum and Allistar Overeem over signing with the UFC and putting on mega fights vs. Brock Lesnar, Randy Couture, Frank Mir, etc.

    I understand his whole "not wanting to be tied down" thing, and I know he is loyal to M1, but for christ sakes, this is the 3rd or 4th time that he has been a free agent, and decided to sign elsewhere rather than with the UFC. It seems to me like keeping his legacy intact is more important to him than strengthening it by actually fighting tough opponents. He hasn't had a tough fight since Pride folded, 3-4 years ago
     
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    Yeah but whatever Strikeforce/EA was paying him, he would have made 3times as much in the UFC between their payroll, % of PPV buys, marketing, and their game.

    - If it was a money decision, he has poor management
    - If it was a loyalty decision to M1 or non-exclusive decision, he's acting like a little baby
    - I think he is just ducking actual tough fights/possibly not being known as the best in the world. He is going to murder Werdum or whoever they put in there with him
     
  4. VaSteelah

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    Yeah i hear ya.
    Wierd how he would do that. In the gamspot article I think it said that Dana was going to shun any fighter that would sign with EA.
    I dont know what Fedors management team is thinking.
    1st "lets sign on with a game thats not out yet and will have to compete against UFC, then lets sign up with the poormans UFC"
    Very Puzzling.
     
  5. jmillhimes

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    Its a legacy thing. This guy could sign on and take on the toughest talent yet he keeps ducking the competition.
     
  6. Blaza

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    Given Zuffa and co's shady antics, I really can't say that he is flat out ducking the UFC. I would LOVE to see him in the ring with Brock. I will say that Overeem is a legit stud, and I'd love to see him matched up against Fedor.
     
  7. NYJuggalo45

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    I'm pretty sure Overeem was in Pride the same time Fedor was dominating and probably got killed by him already once or twice in one of their tournaments or something (I'd have to look up records to confirm this). But why fight him when you have 2 guaranteed mega-fights. 1st vs Randy, a fight that was talked about for years, then vs. Brock.
     
  8. Blaza

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    Yeah man, I don't think Overeem has fought Fedor before. He does have some questionable losses for sure--but we can't forget that Japan was shady as fuk when it came to works/staged fights back in the day. Over the last couple years Overeem has been solid.

    I would certainly love to see Fedor step up and fight in the UFC though. As time goes by it looks less and less likely.
     
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    yeah or more likely...he will sign with the UFC after this current deal with strikeforce expires, which is probably a 5 fight deal meaning atleast 2-3 years. meaning he will be past his prime, and we'll get a shell of the true fedor like we did with Wanderlei, Rua, Big Nog, Cro Cop and all the other former Pride stars who came to the UFC about 2-3 years too late and got manhandled by younger guys in the UFC
     
  10. VTEaZyE86

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    Here's why Fedor didn't sign with the UFC

    Fedor's manager Vadim Finkelstein and a few others own, including Fedor, own M1-Global. This is apparently a promotion that puts on fights. I know they do an M1 Challenger Series in Russia, that's an MMA team event which is a cool idea but it gets NO mainstream attention at all.

    One of the biggest things Vadim wanted in ANY contract was co-promotion on all Fedor fights. Pretty much, he wanted the company that signed him and M1 to present the fights. Say, if the UFC signed him they wanted the share the marquee with the UFC in the presentation. Affliction did this when they had Fedor, just check the promotional posters for proof. Their idea of co-promotion was to split the costs 50/50. If there was a profit, it would be split. If there was a loss, it would be split also.

    The UFC had a very lucrative contract on the table to Fedor. It was a 6 fight deal that, along with percentages of the PPVs and considering he won his fights, could be worth 30 million dollars. They were also allowing him to wear however many M1 logos that he wanted and even place them on the banner that hung behind him before the fight began. They were also allowing him to compete in Sambo in Russia, which wasn't allowed in previous negotiations.

    BUT, the UFC did not bend on co-promotion. A reason they wouldn't is because the Fertitta's, the other co-owners of the UFC, have a gaming license in Nevada, since they also own Station Casinos. If anyone wants to go into business with them, they have to be thoroughly checked out first, b/c the last thing they need is to lose their gaming license.

    Since the UFC didn't bend on co-promotion, M1 wanted nothing to do with them. Enter Strikeforce. They are owned by Showtime, which is owned by CBS. They can afford to do co-promotion and can offer less to Fedor (rumored to be 2 mil/fight, compared to 5 mil by the UFC) and be able to sign him. The problem with this signing is it totally goes against the business model of Strikeforce, which is spend low to make more on the top side.

    Since Showtime isn't on PPV (yet), many wonder if they can survive this signing. Affliction was able to build off of the UFC star power for their main events (Sylvia, Arlovski). Strikeforce has no recognizable names to the average fans (Overeem, Brett Rogers, Fabricio Werdum, Mike Kyle). Not only are these names not recognizable, they are also below the competition level that the UFC can provide, all around.

    btw, Overeem never fought Fedor in PrideFC. At the time, Overeem was a Light-Heavyweight, which he could never make now.

    Most likely, Fedor fights Brett Rogers on Showtime this fall. If he wins, he would fight Overeem sometime next year for the Strikeforce HW title. If Werdum can put some wins together, he'll get a crack at Fedor also. I can't see Fedor lasting more than 3 fights in Strikeforce, due to their lack of talent above 185.

    Its like Tito Ortiz said about his return to the UFC, "If I signed with Strikeforce, who would I fight?"

    Sorry for the post length but that sums it up in a nut shell
     
  11. totalwreckage

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    Fedor isnt really that relevant to the average MMA fan neither is strikeforce. Brock Lesnar was covered by every station on ESPN after he beat Mir. I barely saw a blip about Fedor and I doubt they will be debating Fedor on ESPN tomorrow either. Fedor isnt relevent to American mma. He wont bring in the kind of money that warrants a co-promotion. Fuck him UFC dont need him. Let him be the Roy Jones Jr of MMA, thats fine, its his legacy. This is like Tom Brady signing up for the UFL..What a joke.
     
  12. Juggernautblitz

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    I can't stand for this any more. Fedor ducking people? That dude has probably the best resume in MMA history, certainly MMA heavyweight history, and as the best all around fighter in the world for the past 5 - 8 years he probably deserves more than what the UFC is willing to pay. I love the UFC but they are notoriously stingy. For those that have been watching MMA for a long time and used to watch Pride and K-1 events, you will recognize a lot of these names as some of the best heavyweights and strikers in the world. These are all guys Fedor defeated.
    Ricardo Arona
    Tsuyoshi Kohsaka
    Semmy Schilt
    Heath Herring (back when he was decent)
    Antonio Noguiera - twice (when Noguiera was in his prime)
    Kazuyuki Fujita
    Gary Goodridge
    Mark Coleman - twice (in his prime)
    Kevin Randleman (prime)
    Mirko Crocop
    Mark Hunt
    Matt Lindland
    Tim Sylvia
    Andrei Arlovski

    Basically every big name in the heavyweight division of the past 10 - 15 years he has fought and defeated. He was getting ready to fight Josh Barnett, who many have considered the 2nd best heavyweight in the world for a while now, before the failed drug test. To imply Fedor ducks anyone is laughable. I too would like to see him in the UFC to fight Lesnar but let's not get ridiculous here fellas.
     
  13. Blaza

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    I have to agree with Juggernaut. It's not like Fedor is scared of anyone. His resume speaks volumes. That, coupled with the fact that Zuffa and Dana are known scumbags who have exploited NUMEROUS fighters, leads me to believe that there is more beneath the surface here.
     
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    Say what you will, but 3 times now the guy has had a chance to sign with the UFC. And 3 times he has chosen to sign with organizations that offer less money, less quality opponents, and probably will fold in about 6 months after he signs with them.

    I did not know he was part owner of M1 as someone pointed out. That would explain why he and his management have been so strongly for the cross promotion/bringing in of M1 fighters, but still...sign a 2 fight deal with the UFC. Fight Randy and Brock. Then re-evaluate. I guarantee you the money he would make from those 2 fights would far surpass anything any other organization could ever offer him.
     
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    I don't buy that argument as he has continued to fight quality opponents all the way through. He was a week away from fighting the guy many consider a top 3 heavyweight for pete's sake, plus the resume he already has, not sure what there is left to prove. Couture would have been an interesting fight a few years back but Couture was having his own contract problems with Zuffa and Fedor was fighting in Japan and not really interested now in seeing Fedor tap an over 40 Captain America.
    For boxing fans this is the same argument that Roy Jones haters made in the late 90's when they got on him for not traveling to Europe to fight Calzaghe. Calzaghe would not leave Great Britain to fight Jones even though Roy was the P4P best fighter in the world for a few years running at that point. There was no logical reason Roy should have to go fight on Calzaghe's turf since Roy was the real $ draw and the best fighter in the world, but Roy haters claimed he was ducking him. Then after Roy was about 5 years past his prime, and had been defeated a few times, Calzaghe finally mans up to come to New York to fight him. Had they fought back when they were both in their prime's I think everyone knows Roy would have probably blanked him 12 - 0.
    Anyway, this Fedor is ducking people argument is crazy when you look at his resume.
     
  16. VTEaZyE86

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    From his debut until the Cro Cop fight, I won't argue that he had a tough resume that was a who's who of fighters outside the UFC. But after that, thats when I question it.

    Win Andrei Arlovski ... UFC champ during a very weak stage of the division, may have been exposed since losing 2 in a row

    Win Tim Sylvia ... the UFC got rid of him for a reason, just got KO'd by Ray Mercer

    Win Hong-Man Choi ... a 7' tall freak show, career record of 4-2

    Win Matt Lindland ... a middleweight, enough said

    Win Mark Hunt ... a K-1 fighter, career MMA record of 11-6, hasn't won since 5/2006

    Win Mark Coleman ... hasn't been relevant since he lost the UFC heavyweight title.

    Win Zuluzinho ... career 17-6, record in PRIDE: 1-3. Beat no one of any importance/relevance


    When I said Fedor is a co-owner of M1, its more like his management made him co-owner, in order to keep him there. His brother, Aleks, has been very critical of Fedor's management recently.
     
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    That should say alot...his brother actually called out his management and sided with Dana White...and he had nothing to gain financially from it. Unlike his management team, who according to what VTEaZyE is saying, is the owners of M1 and the main reason he signed with Strikeforce
     
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    Its probably some KGB shit going on, lol.
     
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    - UFC is notorious for being stingy with paying fighters and contracts
    - Fedor has the best MMA record in the history of major MMA promotions
    - He has a great resume with wins over probably 5 or 6 MMA & K-1 Hall of Famers
    - He was a week away from getting in the ring with yet another top ranked heavyweight in Barnett!
    - Repeating, UFC has a track record of being stingy!

    Compare UFC's track record of being stingy in negotiations versus Fedors track record of fighting and beating everyone they put in front of him and it is pretty clear he is not ducking anyone.
    You guys have forced me to tap though, congrats on the win.
     
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    Heheh, I got your back Juggernaut! Seriously though, I don't get how anyone could say he is ducking anyone. Even if you say his recent opponents have been average, that can easily be foiled by the fact that the Heavyweight division as a whole has been blah for the last few years. UFC wants to OWN you once you compete for them. Go look at Finch, Tito, Couture, etc--the fine print in their contracts are ridiculous. I agree that Fedor is not the draw in the UFC that he would be in Japan or throughout the world. But consider the opposite is also true--why would he want to tie himself down (assuming UFC is offering their typical dose of screwjob) and risk damaging his worldwide opportunities. These guys get BANK for jumping in a Japanese pro wrestling ring, doing exhibition grappling matches, etc. etc.
     
  21. totalwreckage

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    UFC offered him a much better deal than strikeforce, and he took a lesser deal to fight lesser competition. You do the math. Ever since he left Pride he has pretty much ahndpicked who he fights. And they have been UFC washouts.

    UFC is also notorious for being succesful. The reason every orgnaization Fedor has went too has collapsed was becasue the money he brings in does not compensate for the money he recieves. You want UFC to use teh business moidels of other organizations that whent belly up to make Fedor happy? For what? Brock Lesnar is alreayd a more popular American MMA commodity and would sell a shitlaod more than Fedor would. Just becasue the hardcore fans love fedor doesnt mean the UFC should put there businesso n the line. And UFC was not nbeing stingy.

    M-1 was being ridiculous if they thought they could get UFC to co promote. That's not how it works. Not smart business to build up a competitor who can try and come in and steal your revenue, especially if Fedor beat Brock M-1 can run off and promote the shit out of Fedor beating the UFC champion and leave UFC ass end over a barrel. Fedor has fought some great fighters in the past. But signing with affliction to fight UFC washouts and than now taking a lesser deal to sign with Strikeforce who I don't even think has more than like 2 other HW only makes fedor look chicken shit and more worried about his undefeated record than giving the fans what they want or helping the sport grow. And do you really think the Athletic commission is going ot just give Barnett a free pass. He failed 3 steroid tests, I would be surprised if he isnt out for a long time or just flat out period.

    Strikeforce will go belly up with Fedor becasue he wont generate the money they need to survive. It is laughable the minor league promotion thinks that by signing the best fighter in the world that they can compete with the UFC. It is a business model every other failed org has used. It doesnt work. UFC doenst need Fedor, they want him becasue they can promote him correctly and build him into a mega superstar in America.

    And Cro Cop had a succesful resume as well before he came to the UFC and than was exposed. Shogun came over lost to Forrest. Fedor knows he will lose in the UFC. He is scared.

    Brock Lesnar bneats Mir and flips off the crowd- All over ESPN

    Fedor signs with strikeforce- Crickets chirping. Only people talking about it are forum fans.
     
  22. totalwreckage

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    and nothing personal Juggernaut we jsut have two differing opinions. I respect your views and Fedor is a world class MMA fighter. I just beleive he has listend to poor management
     
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    on a lighter note

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    Those videos are funny shit.

    If I hadn't already tapped I would comment on how ridiculous it is that anyone thinks Dana and UFC are getting dicked around by anyone, let alone Fedor. I think those of us that have been following MMA for a long time and maybe know some fighters that know the behind the scenes workings know that is A) a ridiculous notion B) funny and ironic, if that is in fact the truth. I had tapped earlier though so I can't say that.
     

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