Games We'd Like to See

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  1. Archie Griffin

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    Games We'd Like to See

    Just a quick thread we can use to discuss scheduling. I thought we could talk about what games our teams might want to play, or games we remember from recent history that might make for good rivalries. Here's a few I'd like to see:

    OSU/Florida
    OSU/Texas
    OSU/ND
    OSU/UCLA (continue the Big Ten/Pac Ten thing after the H&H with USC)

    Mich/Colorado
    FSU/ND
    Bama/MSU (Saban coached both schools)
    Texas/Alabama (just sounds like it should be played)
    Pitt/Army

    These are just a few I'd like to see. Some of our schedules lock us into games due to who we picked, so some of these probably can't happen (unless someone wanted to take on more than the normal number of user games) but some of these matchups would be fun to see. We may have to find a way to break up that Midwest deadlock so we can get some variety.
     
  2. JOEDESIGNS

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    I'd like to play Alabama. Oh and BTW AG, I need another invite. It's been deleted.
     
  3. Colemanchu

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    You guys should throw in a Florida, Texas home and home. Both teams stay mostly instate recruiting, and do very well with it, and you could finally decide where the best recruits on the field come from.
     
  4. Archie Griffin

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    I sent one a bit earlier today, just on a hunch. I'll send another anyway.
     
  5. Razcalking1978

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    You hit the main one I'd love to build up over time - Pitt - Army.

    Other than that, I'd like to keep Pitt-Notre Dame rolling. If that proves impossible (he's bound to have a full dance card now and then), Michigan State might be a good fit.
     
  6. JOEDESIGNS

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    You know me so well AG. Had no idea you sent one earlier though. I was talking about the first one.:D
     
  7. Shaun Mason

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    Army-Pitt is a good time.

    Maybe someone else will develop over time.
     
  8. DatNDaz

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    Pitt-ND is on the schedule this year. I've also got Meatchicken and MSU. FSU, OSU, and Army would all be interesting matchups.
     
  9. Basis4aDay56

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    I would love to do tOSU - Florida AND Texas - Florida. As well as making FSU - Florida a yearly thing. Whatever works, but I love playing AG, Reagle, and AMP, so I really think these would make for games that could really get some hype and would play out in a really fun fashion.

    And anyone else that would want to play Florida, I would like to have all user OOC games if possible. As I posted in the other thread, I would like to see some user rivalries develop to compliment the traditional rivalries.

    In case it mattered and anyone didn't know and wanted to, my record against them each (respectively) is: 0-1, 0-2, and 1-2*.

    * 2 major ass whoopins and a close win.
     
  10. Basis4aDay56

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    Army - Pitt would be great to see, and definitely keep ND - Pitt going if possible!
     
  11. Juggernautblitz

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    I'll show you meatchicken. I like the CU - UM rivalry renewal but no way I can drop Michigan State, OSU or ND. I am cool with at least 4 user games though.
     
  12. DatNDaz

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    I'm starting to wonder if the right number of user games might be 4. With 4 games, it's going to be very difficult to go undefeated. I'm ok with that, as long as we don't have Boise State / Utah winning the national championship every year. I think we'd need to simulate some seasons to see who the common undefeateds are and make sure we schedule them.

    The positives are that it helps CPU recruiting since it means 6 more user losses/year. It genereates more opportunities for chatter in the blogs and message boards. More opportunities for rivalries to develop. Tougher road to the NC.

    Main problem is that AG is going to have a heck of a time putting together a schedule that keeps our rivalry games and squeezes in 4 user games (and shedules in the Boise States, etc). Also might be tough for teams like Army to win user games the first year or two so this might make their rebuilding job 1-loss tougher.
     
  13. Razcalking1978

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    We could always make it a range, say 3-4 user games. Long as people are okay with that, it'll make scheduling much easier, and we can keep Army to 3 games.
     
  14. DatNDaz

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    I'd be fine doing it this way, although some might complain if a "good" team gets 3 while an "average" team gets 4.

    I've never put together a schedule for 12 teams, so I really don't know how difficult it is. I'll defer to you and AG on how the schedule should be done. I'm just throwing ideas out there.
     
  15. Razcalking1978

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    It'll be easy for teams with in-conference or regular schedule user games, like the Big Ten folks and Notre Dame. Army will be easy because there's no set-in-stone conference games.

    Teams alone in their divisions/conferences will be murder. Eight games for Pitt are taken up by non-user teams.
     
  16. Archie Griffin

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    Here's kind of how I see it:

    I like user games. I'd like it if user games were even across the board, and if they were of relatively even difficulty. But ... this is not remotely close to possible.

    I am leaving it mostly to you guys to choose your own schedules by choosing your own teams. If you choose to play as the only member of a conference, you are essentially choosing to play fewer user games. Now, we aren't simply going to let the chips fall where they may, but I'm not going to put three top-tier non conference games on anyone's schedule. It's just not realistic.

    Also, these kinds of arrangements are often made between programs. There's no all-powerful NCAA commish out there making home and home deals for the schools. Look up your schedules. Look up the schedules of the guys you might want to do a deal with, and then let me know what you negotiate.

    For example - I'm OSU. I'm not going to Army, but I may agree to play them at home (ie. Navy coming to the 'Shoe this year). Maybe I'd agree to a three year deal in which two are in Columbus. Now, if Army starts out season two ranked in the top 25, things might change. This is how these things work. If I were negotiating with Florida, it would be an even-up thing right from the start. Basis and I would have to work it out.

    If you want more user games, think about moving conferences, or, if you're a hardcore fan, try to talk guys into moving into your conference, or make a case for new guys (when openings happen) based on what teams they want to play. This is all much more realistic than those silly discussions about who's schedule is tougher. I just hate that stuff.

    Which brings me to my last point. I am going to be expanding my interpretation of what counts as "unsportsmanlike" behavior. Some of the arguments we get into have no place in a league designed to place fun over competition. Competition is cool, but if I'm not having fun, I'm going to make adjustments until I am having fun.

    There will be no more threads about schedule fairness. Pretty much everyone finds them offensive. We can talk schedules, but there must be respect for other teams and coaches at all times. Each team is in charge of its own schedule now. Get in touch with other league members and work it out. If the aforementioned thread pops up, we lose a coach.

    That being said, I'm looking for a non-conference game in year one. I'll take two if shaun wants to have his Army team replace the Navy game in week one. I'm open to discussion at this point. Hit me up.

    AG
     
  17. Juggernautblitz

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    Good stuff.
     
  18. JOEDESIGNS

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    Hell, I have Miami and UF. Anybody else is just adding dirt to my mountain. :D
     
  19. Juggernautblitz

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    I did some soul searching this morning and decided to address the last part of AG's last post.
    First, let me say that I will abide and not a peep will be heard from me about schedules or controversy, etc., from now on, if that is what is wanted.
    My question though is this. Is this what is wanted? Half the fun of real college football is discussing/arguing who is ranked where and why they deserve or don't deserve to be there. One of the big reasons college football gets so much press at the end of the year is the controversies surrounding who makes it to the title games, should so and so have won the title over so and so, and it sometimes drags on for months and even years. Should Utah have had a shot last year, did FSU deserve the title over ND in 1993, did Nebraska belong in the national title game a few years back after getting pasted by Colorado in the Big 12 championship, who was the real best team in 1996 when UM and Nebraska split the title, was Penn State the best team in 1994 when they went undefeated and didn't get a piece of the title, was USC a better one loss team than UF last year, etc., etc.? The controversy surrounding the rankings and BCS champions is a very real, interesting, and fun part of college football for many people.
    We do a lot of things to make this game more like the real thing or to adjust to make things more fair but in this case we are going to do away with the controversy aspect by dictating that there can be no discussions/arguments about schedules or who the real best teams may or may not be? I would think that someone that is clearly one of the best players at this game, AND takes one of the top 3 teams every year would be expecting some BS for it and A. let it roll off their back B. put up a vigorous defense like the fans of our real life counterparts do or C. would really beef up their schedule to prove the dissenters wrong. I'm sure a few people on here get offended when any kind of friction develops but I am pretty sure also that most everyone else is fine with some controversy and discussions about that controversy, just like in real college football, as long as it doesn't escalate to name calling, accusations of cheating, etc.
    If the solution to controversy, which is a very intriguing part of real college football, is to dictate that there can be no discussion of controversy, cool, I will abide. I have never called names or banged on AG's ability at this game, in fact have said over and over that he is one of the better players, and in this most recent case I was not doing anything but trying to get some sort of a playoff set up to see who the real best team was between the 3 undefeated teams this year.
    It is ironic that the same guy that is mad at me about this situation has busted my balls in the past about being socialist because I think the artificial rules we put in place should be skewed towards helping the weaker teams. I don't use this often but I think it fits here, LOL.
     
  20. Razcalking1978

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    Well, here's the thing: We're not just fans of the teams we control in this dynasty. We're the coaches/directors. How often do you see THOSE people diminishing other teams' accomplishments or getting into ranking debates?
     
  21. Juggernautblitz

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    Point taken. It is usually done pretty civil and low key because of the complexities of PR in the real world but there are certainly plenty of coaches that lobby for their team/question the rankings or BCS system all the time when controversy pops up.
    This is not done in a vacuum as we are also playing the part of the media in this thing and that is more where the questioning is coming from, at least from me. We are coaches/fans/media all in one in my opinion and if questioning/discussing/friendly arguments are not allowed any more on certain topics, okay.
     
  22. Juggernautblitz

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    I'm sure some agree with me and some disagree but doesn't really matter in the grand scheme anyway so I will abide and not bring up any more discussions on schedule, etc..
     
  23. Archie Griffin

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    There's just a couple of things I'd like to say:

    1 - In most cases, my public decisions about conduct or game play are discussed in public, and also in private. I would not simply lay down the law on a particular subject simply because I feel like it. I am not dictating; I am responding. When these issues come up, there is the public debate, and then there are the PM's I get from within the league (and often from outside - you'd be surprised how many people read our threads). I hear from other commishes, league members, and on occasion, from management staff. The threads that draw the most attention are often the ones involving rules, schedules, and so on, and yours never fail to kick up strong discussions. If this were, as you put it, a "some agree with me and some disagree" kind of situation, I'd leave it alone. But my point is this - I am far from alone when I say this stuff, and my sense of it is that it is far from a 50/50 kind of thing.

    2 - Sportsmanship and diplomacy have different definitions for different people, I guess. When I ask that we do not fall into the petty discussions about schedules, I'm not saying we can't talk about schedules. I'm saying that we should not take away from each others' experiences in the process. Some of the discussions we have gotten into in the past have been downright disrespectful (I'm referring to the "this team is good, that team is bad" kind of rankings as well as the "sure, you call yourself a winner, but we know better" kinds of threads), and the guys have spoken out about it. Stirring up a little controversy in the name of good fun is one thing. But I think we all know that's not what's going on in these threads. Instead, we're talking about one guy not deserving this, or another guy not earning that, and no one should be able to have too much success, etc., and we're always talking about some other guy, never ourselves. Some of it is just downright mean.

    I'm not going to have that stuff in the E-League. I'm putting together a league in which I can compete, have fun, and hang out with a good bunch of guys. This league should be completely free of the petty stuff by now. With 12 select players in the best league around, I shouldn't even have to have this conversation in the first place. It's the kind of sportsmanship anyone who has ever played a team sport already knows, and it's frustrating to have to spell it out once, much less multiple time over a period of months.

    Guys,

    Tell me what you think. If I'm being heavy-handed, I will publicly apologize. If I'm not, then back me up. But I'd like to get a sense of what the larger group thinks so I will know if I am out of line, or if I am simply speaking to the general frustration this kind of thing causes. Just ask yourselves where the drama comes from, and we'll take it from there.

    AG
     
  24. Razcalking1978

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    Yeah, I agree with all of this. It's a hobby, and it should be stress-free. If it's not, it's like the guy who treats beer-league softball like it's the most important thing in the world.

    We should just have fun, play some sim ball, and whoever wins, wins, and we congratulate them. Our rules get rid of the cheeze, and all else is fair in college football.

    Take a look up in the TTI forums. Yeah, they raz each other, but there's none of this stuff.
     
  25. JOEDESIGNS

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    You can all talk about my schedule...and discuss who's next on the FSU Beatdown Tour.
     

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