GMO crops mean more herbicide, not less

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  1. I Peench

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  3. Raidernation

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    It's the name of the game. GMO isn't made solely for the purpose of being resistant to weeds and bugs, that's an article for the sheeple IMO. Proof is in the fact the the weeds themselves are even being affected by the supercharged GMO, crazy shit is the insects are "supercharged" too so the cycle will continue in definite. GMO=more cides= more sickness= money for big pharma= more cash for the Company that funds all three.
     
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    uhm, no? GMO's help us reduce what we have to spray.

    thanks for starting the fire I Peench , lets do this.
     
  5. Kasper

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    "Fixing the problem" is simple, you can't simply spray just Roundup anymore- you have to spike it with chemicals with different modes of action so the weeds can't get used to it.

    *not sure if this thread is remotely serious, but I am all for a good discussion and I know I am one of the few on this site on this side of the site, so like i said before-- lets do this*
     
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    I'm pro-GMO too man. I got your back. In fact, I just enjoyed some awesome GMO sweet corn on the cob last night and will indulge again today! so good!
     
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  7. Raidernation

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    Thats one way to look at it but the actual is slightly different. The purpose to modify it was to got the most out of each individual crop. To make the plant itself survive the harshest conditions (orange crops) and enable it to be grown outside its own ecosystem (bananas) and also so its easier to process (soy). They most likely stumbled apron the fact that it fought weeds and insects (think viagra and blood pressure). Now that people are aware of the issues they are throw the "we use it to defend the plants" shit at some …. I think its bullshit. This is an article about several claimed benefits of modified bananas, check it out. I believe know about what you eat is just as important as your health itself and since my kid are in that same picture I try to stay informed as possible. I like to be open minded about shit because in the end we really don't know shit, they've been stringing us along for a while now.
     
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    "But the sample size—ten males and ten females per group—is simply too small to draw any conclusions, Hansen says. Moreover, he adds, the researchers used a strain of rat that is known to be highly prone to developing mammary tumors. That factor, plus the small sample size, means that the prevalence of mammary tumors found among the treated female rats could be happenstance, he said."

    from your own source. 20 total? really?! Hardly good science. Lets use the scientific method first, shall we?
     
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    I'm completely against any insecticide or pesticide chemicals. Colony Collapse Disorder is incredibly alarming, and I applaud the EU for banning these types of chemicals for a 2 year period. I am happy that I live in Amish/Mennonite country. This time of year, all my produce is either grown in my own garden, or purchased from their farmer markets or road side stands.

    I worry about my children's future as rampant enviromental disregard, poor policies, and improper testing of chemicals only benefit capitalism. The almighty dollar has taken precedent over every decision that is made in this country.
     
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    I looked this up on wiki. Which is usually pretty good info in my experience. But it talks specifically about bee populations vanishing in Europe...where there are no GMOs. So they don't use GMOs over there, but still use insecticides, which in turn kills bees.
    http://www.ars.usda.gov/News/docs.htm?docid=15572

    Says they don't know the cause. And this has happened for over the last hundred years...WAY before GMOs/pesticides. Not refuting your concern, it just appears there's no link to what causes it in my quick 5 minute google search.
     
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    Old. And adds nothing to the discussion. Sir. :)
     
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    I am not normally a conspiracy theory type of guy and I yield the floor to farmers like Kasper ( I am not being a smart ass that's a compliment bud). Anyways, I do kind of wish i lived in a place that was more condusive to having a garden for vegetables than Florida where it is ungodly hot in the summer.

    The Europeans are typically alot more progessive than the US on environmental issues (REACH if you dont know what that is you are a doofus...but really google it's interesting), GHG Reduction) along with some aspects of health care (such as approving experimental medicines)

    I don't think we know enough about GMO's to say yeah they are ok to use. With several states pursuing right to know laws regarding labeling we need to be able to make educated decisions about what we eat (that's what she said)
     
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    I needed a diversion while i typed my rambling response. I do agree with your comment about the small sample size. We used to think Asbestos was awesome.....we see how that turned out for Libby, Montana.
     
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    I don't know anything about bananas...
     
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    LOL. I honestly don't really care about the labeling thing. Go for it. In fact, Whole Foods labels some of their stuff with "non-GMO" labels and it appears legal to place a "non-GMO" label on packages. So people know where to get "organic" stuff...but do they put their money where their mouth is?

    Also, 15-20 years of GMO use and no established link to disease is proof enough to me that it isn't dangerous. Sure, maybe in 50 years a link will be established, but why limit technology now if there's no explanation for limiting it other than fear?
     
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    The thing is, if you don't want chemicals sprayed what do you propose?

    Genetically modified seeds are one of the better choices if you want to get away from chemicals. You can't go organic because you can't produce enough.
     
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    Yeah. And if GMO turns out to be asbestos...fine, solved, science proved that it was wrong. But until that day comes, why not use it? So far there are no documented safety issues to humans. If you live life worrying about all the things that COULD happen, you'd never get out of bed.
     
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    He smart ^^
     
  21. Kasper

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    Labeling is a must, I agree.
     
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    Integrated Pest Management. Chemicals should be a last resort.
     
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    So things like tillage, crop rotation, and biological pest control? What all would be in that that we could use? It's a good idea, there are just catches to it.
     
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    I am not arguing, you are talking to a guy who drank a half a bottle of 9 dollar wine by himself out of a beer mug this week. Some view their body as a temple, I view mine as the trash compactor on star wars.

    I buy whatever is on sale. I could get hit by a bus tomorrow and as Cesar Milan would say "Live in the Moment". If I had kids like PA, I would have a different approach. I also have started the transition from plastic to glass in my house though because of potential BPA exposure.
     
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    Dont forget Cultural and physical and enviromental modifications as well.
     

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