Here is what we are going to do - TOTAL PLAN IN ONE

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  1. natedawg212000

    natedawg212000 New Orleans Saints

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    Here is what we are going to do - TOTAL PLAN IN ONE

    I am making some executive decisions based on what I am seeing and what I am hearing from owners and talking with some guys that I trust.

    First - Selah. Everything stops completely for today and Friday. We may push the start of the season back till Friday night or Saturday morning, we'll see.

    Second - Current FA Bids. All fa's that are currently started right now may have 1 last blind bid sent to the fa rep's. Reps please go through all open threads which are not closed because of the 24 hour deadline and send messages to those owners asking for ONE last blind bid. Let's get those, hand out a winner, and move on.

    Third - Fa Bids. We will implement Dunlaps chart for ALL Fa's and players from this moment forward. What we had was a great start. It's funny because that chart closely resembles what Win and I came up with to start, but the call for more realism just got the chart out of hand. What we started with was a great starting point to get all out of the box players a salary and the league a cap.

    This is the new chart for EVERY PLAYER who does not have a contract on a team right now. This means every FA and every player who is CUT from this movement forward. We will have 10 players or so who have crazy contracts, but we found the problem fast and it will work itself out.

    Here is the chart:
    OVR Salary Range Min Bonus
    0-50 150,000 - 450,000 0
    51-55 200,000 - 600,000 0
    56-60 250,000 - 750,000 0
    61-65 300,000 - 900,000 10000
    66-70 400,000 - 1,200,000 25000
    71-75 500,000 - 1,500,000 50000
    76-80 600,000 - 1,800,000 100000
    81-85 750,000 - 2,250,000 250000
    86-90 1,000,000 - 3,000,000 500000
    91-94 2,000,000 - 6,000,000 750000
    95-99 3,000,000 - 9,000,000 1000000


    Simple - look up a players overall, see where his salary min starts and what the ceiling is on that player, what his minimum bonus is, and what his positional max modifier is.

    All bids must start at the minimum base and bonus in the chart above, and the modifier must be what he is on your team AT MINIMUM. (ex I say a 99 ov hb, he must be signed to the max mod for hb because he is my #1 guy, but if I sign a 42 ov cb his mod may start at the lowest modifier for that position because he is simply a back up).

    When re-bidding you must increase the base, bonus, or modifier which will increase the total contract. Once the ceiling has been hit for his overall (chart above) you may ONLY increase the Mod and/or bonus. Once the Base and the Mod Max's have been reached you may ONLY adjust the BONUS. Bonus has no max and may go as high as the GM wants to bid.

    Forth - Position changes. I like what Jeremy came up with here, it was a great solution: http://www.traditionfootball.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32473
    I dont know where things go hay wire, and maybe they didn't but imo thats pretty easy.
    Here is what we are doing for easy understanding:

    ALL formation subs are allowed EXCEPT for HB/FB formation sub. You may NEVER put a HB at the FB positoin.

    Starter Chart:
    Column 1 Column 2
    POSITION STARTER
    QB ALL QB POSITIONS MUST BE QB
    RB ALL RB POSITIONS MUST BE RB
    FB STARTER MUST BE FB
    TE TOP 2 POSITIONS MUST BE TE, 3-4 POSITIONS FALL UNDER INJURY/STAMINA SUB CHART
    WR TOP 3 POSITIONS MUST BE WR, 4-6 POSITIONS FALL UNDER INJURY/STAMINA SUB CHART
    T ALL T POSITIONS MUST BE T
    G STARTER MUST BE G, 2-4 POSITIONS FALL UNDER INJURY/STAMINA SUB CHART
    C STARTER MUST BE C, 2-4 POSITIONS FALL UNDER INJURY/STAMINA SUB CHART
    DE STARTER MUST BE DE, 2-4 POSITIONS FALL UNDER INJURY/STAMINA SUB CHART
    DT STARTERS (TOP 2 IN 4/3, TOP 1 IN 3/4) MUST BE DT, 2-6 POSITIONS FALL UNDER INJURY/STAMINA SUB CHART
    OLB STARTER MUST BE OLB, 2-4 POSITIONS FALL UNDER INJURY/STAMINA SUB CHART
    MLB STARTERS (TOP 1 IN 4/3, TOP 2 IN 3/4) MUST BE MLB, 3-5 POSITIONS FALL UNDER INJURY/STAMINA SUB CHART
    CB TOP 3 STARTERS MUST BE CB, 4-6 POSITIONS FALL UNDER INJURY/STAMINA SUB CHART
    FS STARTER MUST BE FS, 2-4 POSITIONS FALL UNDER INJURY/STAMINA SUB CHART
    SS STARTER MUST BE SS, 2-4 POSITIONS FALL UNDER INJURY/STAMINA SUB CHART
    K STARTER MUST BE K, 2ND POSITION FALL UNDER INJURY/STAMINA SUB CHART
    P STARTER MUST BE P, 2ND POSITION FALL UNDER INJURY/STAMINA SUB CHART

    * If you are running a 'multi defense' then you will set our depth chart up as BOTH 4/3 and 3/4. This only comes in to play with the DT and the MLB positions. For multi defense you must have a DT and the TOP 2 DT positions, and at the MLB position you must have a MLB at the TOP 2 MLB positions. After those positions all depth charts positions fall under injury/stamina sub chart.

    In game Injury/Stamina Subs:
    Column 1 Column 2
    Position Sub Allowed
    QB No Subs
    HB No Subs
    FB TE
    TE FB
    WR TE
    T No Subs
    G C
    C G
    DE DT if Speed less than 85 and player is not a starter in depth chart of DT
    DT DE if Strength is more than 85 and player is not a starter in depth chart of DE
    OLB MLB
    MLB OLB
    CB S if speed is more than 85 and player is not a starter in depth chart of S
    S CB if speed is less than 90 and player is not in top 4 of depth chart of CB
    K P
    P K

    *These are subs for in game Injury or Stamina, basically how to set your depth chart for players OTHER THAN STARTERS. The position listed is the positions OTHER than the natural Madden listed Position: (EX all QBs can play QB, ect). Again, these are ONLY for in game subs due to injury or stamina. This means your depth chart must be set to allow for these restrictions. ALL STARTERS MUST BE AT THE POSITION LISTED IN YOUR CAP BOOK. THIS IS ONLY FOR BACK UPS AND DEPTH CHART. (EX: STARTING CBS MUST BE CBS MUST BE CBS). ALL S positions are interchangeable as are OLB/MLB positions for IN GAME SUBS due to injury or stamina. YOU MAY NOT USE A FORMATION SUB ALL GAME LONG (EX - SUB HB ALL GAME TO PLAY YOUR BACK UP, OLB SWAP, ECT. FORMATION SUBS FOR FOR 1-2 PLAYS AT A TIME ONLY. IF YOU ARE CAUGHT USING FORMATION SUBS FOR LONG PERIOD OF TIME YOU MAY BE BOOTED)

    Full Time Positions Changes:
    Column 1 Column 2 Column 3
    Cap Book listed Position Position allowed to change to Secondary position allowed to change to
    QB No Position Swap allowed
    HB No Position Swap allowed
    FB TE if Speed is less than 90 & Catch is more than 65
    TE FB if Speed is less than 90 WR if Catch is more than 65
    WR No Position Swap allowed
    T No Position Swap allowed
    G C
    C G
    DE DT if Weighs 280 lbs or more, Speed less than 85, and Strength is 87 or more OLB if Weighs 250 lbs or more, Speed is 85 or less, and Acceleration is 90 or below
    DT DE if Strength is more than 85 and Speed is less than 85.
    OLB MLB DE if Weighs 255 lbs or more, Speed is 85 or more, and Strength is 75 or more
    MLB OLB
    CB FS if Speed is 87 or less. SS if Speed is 87 or less.
    FS SS if Speed is 87 or less. CB if Speed is 87 or less.
    SS FS if Speed is 87 or less. CB if Speed is 87 or less.
    K No Position Swaps allowed
    P No position Swaps allowed

    *This is for FULL TIME POSITION SWAPS. These Position swaps must be declared in Team Management thread BEFORE the advance to the following week. All cap books must be signed off on and adjusted to fit these full time position swaps. When declaring the player you must post new position and overall. All players who move positions take on the #1 modifier of their new position. The player who was already in the #1 position, also keeps his #1 modifier, so you will have two players who are being paid a #1 modifier for that position. After a player has been posted and accepted, that is their new FULL TIME position and may NOT be changed again for that season. If you want to put them back, you must wait until after the season and treat them with the above chart as their current position. All restrictions are to be followed. WHEN A PLAYER MOVES POSITION, THAT IS THERE NEW POSITION AND ALL MADDEN MINIMUMS ARE REQUIRED. WHEN A PLAYER SWAPS POSITIONS, THAT IS THERE NEW FULL TIME POSITION AND ALL INJURIES, TRADES, AND RELEASES ARE HANDLED AS IF THE PLAYER MOVED WAS ALWAYS AT HIS NEW POSITION. (EX - YOU CAN NOT MOVE A OLB TO DE, HAVE AN INJURY AND MOVE HIM BACK. YOU MUST SIGN A OLB TO FILL THAT POSITION IF NEEDED)

    Sci and Jeremy will be overseeing this process.

    Fifth - Rule Book. I will take a gander at our rule book (and you can also) and take out and adjust any thing and all things that can be done to it. Let's try and get this thing smaller if possible. I know with the new rules and adjustments the rule book needs to be adjusted accordingly, so I will do so. I will also post Win's new links.

    Sixth - Capbook Guidelines. Win is working on making it easier to understand, but lets all take a look at the book and see what can be adjusted for easier reading and understanding, anything to make it smaller.

    Seventh - Anything I forgot. What I forget? Lets plug this in RIGHT AWAY. I will post these things in ONE HOUR for the league to see. I have talked with Jeremy and Sci and Frisk on the side because they were on and I want their input.

    Let's be a team who doesn't only point out issues, but gives solutions. If you don't have a solution, then don't point an issue out. Come with solutions to make things EASIER and REALISTIC at the same time. This is the tightrope that we walk, but I know that we are a team full of really smart guys who can do this.

    Once games begin to be played it will be much better. These are some hot button topics that I think will help us move forward.

    Thoughts ? One Hour fellas and I am making this call to the league. We all have worked hard and things just got out of hand. We recognize it and we are fixing it. This is why there must always be a commish who oversees things and makes the tough calls. Let's keep trying and working hard guys! No more job, lets get back to fun. I think the above gives us simple to understand guidelines and is simple enough to not become a job for anyone in the league, owners and board members.
     
  2. weblink21

    weblink21 Walk On

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    Looks good to me Nate. Well laid out
     
  3. Big D

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    I am 100% against changing the position change rule again. I have made trades, signed FA's all based on the rule that YOU GUYS agreed upon (even tho I was against it to begin with).
     
  4. natedawg212000

    natedawg212000 New Orleans Saints

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    I will also add this from Win and Wajo:

    Modifiers: 1) Modifiers are only changes and set on how rosters are ordered during Week 1 of each season. They will not change again. until Week 1 of the following season.
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    2) Modifiers will never decrease, unless a player is cut into Free Agency.
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    3) All free agent signees will assume the contract and multiplier form the winning bid.

    During the offseason should a player be cut/traded his backups do not move up in pay scale. Once the season begins if a team cuts/trades a player, and does not replace that player the backups all move up accordingly.
     
  5. wajomatik

    wajomatik Magister De Puer De Vacca

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    I would also like this to be put into the offseason section so that all owners understand this.
    "During the offseason should a player be cut/traded his backups do not move up in pay scale. Once the season begins if a team cuts/trades a player, and does not replace that player the backups all move up accordingly."
     
  6. wajomatik

    wajomatik Magister De Puer De Vacca

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    Never mind Nate you added it as I typed lol
     
  7. natedawg212000

    natedawg212000 New Orleans Saints

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    3 small adjustments (one was a mistake by myself) after talking with Win, Dunlap, and Wajo.
     
  8. natedawg212000

    natedawg212000 New Orleans Saints

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    I also talked to Dunlap and he understands that we are changing NOTHING about position changes, we are simply putting it into a format that is easy to digest
     
  9. natedawg212000

    natedawg212000 New Orleans Saints

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    I got it and fixed it
     
  10. BRUCE80

    BRUCE80 Let the dirt just shower over you..

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    Looks good.
     
  11. wajomatik

    wajomatik Magister De Puer De Vacca

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    Shouldn't the requirements for CB's playing FS or SS be if speed is 87 or less. Werent we trying to take some of the speed element out of that position swap.
     
  12. Big D

    Big D Walk On

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    I agree, I think it was written backwards.
     
  13. natedawg212000

    natedawg212000 New Orleans Saints

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    adjusted the mod chart for easier explanation
     
  14. natedawg212000

    natedawg212000 New Orleans Saints

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    thats exactly how it was in the old rules that jeremy had posted. i will change though.
     
  15. Jeremy

    Jeremy The ONLY 2 time OMFL CHampion!!!!

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    Excellent plan Nate. I have no issues with anything that u said. I am going to be very limited on my CPU till the morning. I am accessing forums on phone, laid up on my couch. But Nate let me know what you need me working on and I will find a way to get er done.
     
  16. BRUCE80

    BRUCE80 Let the dirt just shower over you..

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    Your a warrior brother! ;)
     
  17. natedawg212000

    natedawg212000 New Orleans Saints

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    Dunlap and I have been going around a mountain for the past 30 mins.

    Here's what we decided on this third issue at hand:
    Forth - Position changes. I like what Jeremy came up with here, I trimmed it down further:

    ALL formation subs are allowed EXCEPT for HB/FB formation sub. You may NEVER put a HB at the FB position. YOU MAY NOT USE A FORMATION SUB ALL GAME LONG (EX - SUB HB ALL GAME TO PLAY YOUR BACK UP, OLB SWAP, ECT. FORMATION SUBS FOR FOR 1-2 PLAYS AT A TIME ONLY. IF YOU ARE CAUGHT USING FORMATION SUBS FOR LONG PERIOD OF TIME YOU MAY BE BOOTED)

    Full Time Positions Changes:
    Column 1 Column 2 Column 3
    Cap Book listed Position Position allowed to change to Secondary position allowed to change to
    QB No Position Swap allowed No Secondary Position Swap allowed
    HB No Position Swap allowed No Secondary Position Swap allowed
    FB TE if Speed is less than 90 & Catch is more than 65 No Secondary Position Swap allowed
    TE FB if Speed is less than 90 WR if Catch is more than 65
    WR No Position Swap allowed No Secondary Position Swap allowed
    T No Position Swap allowed No Secondary Position Swap allowed
    G C No Secondary Position Swap allowed
    C G No Secondary Position Swap allowed
    DE DT if Weighs 280 lbs or more, Speed less than 85, and Strength is 87 or more OLB if Weighs 250 lbs or more, Speed is 85 or less, and Acceleration is 90 or below
    DT DE if Strength is more than 85 and Speed is less than 85. No Secondary Position Swap allowed
    OLB MLB DE if Weighs 255 lbs or more, Speed is 85 or more, and Strength is 75 or more
    MLB OLB No Secondary Position Swap allowed
    CB FS if Speed is 87 or less. SS if Speed is 87 or less.
    FS SS if Speed is 87 or less. CB if Speed is 87 or less.
    SS FS if Speed is 87 or less. CB if Speed is 87 or less.
    K No Position Swaps allowed No Secondary Position Swap allowed
    P No position Swaps allowed No Secondary Position Swap allowed

    * If you are running a 'multi defense' then you will set our depth chart up as BOTH 4/3 and 3/4. This only comes in to play with the DT and the MLB positions. For multi defense you must have a DT and the TOP 2 DT positions, and at the MLB position you must have a MLB at the TOP 2 MLB positions.

    If it is listed on this chart then it is allowed. STARTING PLAYERS MUST BE PLAYING THE POSITION THAT THEY ARE LISTED AT THE CAPBOOK. (EX: qb, rb, fb, te, 4 wrs, 2 tes, t, g, c, de, 2 dt - 1 dt if 3/4, rolb, mlb - 2 mlb if 3/4 or multi, lolb, 4 cb, fs, ss). Back ups can be anyone who falls in this chart above.

    If you want a player to start at a new position then you must follow the above chart and the following process. Position swaps must be declared in Team Management thread BEFORE the advance to the following week. All cap books must be signed off on and adjusted to fit these full time position swaps. When declaring the player you must post new position and overall. All players who move positions take on the #1 modifier of their new position. The player who was already in the #1 position, also keeps his #1 modifier, so you will have two players who are being paid a #1 modifier for that position. After a player has been posted and accepted, that is their new FULL TIME position and may NOT be changed again for that season. If you want to put them back, you must wait until after the season and treat them with the above chart as their current position. All restrictions are to be followed. WHEN A PLAYER MOVES POSITION, THAT IS THERE NEW POSITION AND ALL MADDEN MINIMUMS ARE REQUIRED. WHEN A PLAYER SWAPS POSITIONS, THAT IS THERE NEW FULL TIME POSITION AND ALL INJURIES, TRADES, AND RELEASES ARE HANDLED AS IF THE PLAYER MOVED WAS ALWAYS AT HIS NEW POSITION. (EX - YOU CAN NOT MOVE A OLB TO DE, HAVE AN INJURY AND MOVE HIM BACK. YOU MUST SIGN A OLB TO FILL THAT POSITION IF NEEDED). Remember that salaries never ever go down, unless a player is cut. So if you move a player back and forth, he always carries his highest salary with him.

    Sci and Jeremy will be overseeing this process.
     
  18. Winuvas

    Winuvas OMFL Jets

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    No offense, guys, but this is sort of what I was referring to with complications versus simplification. This is a bit much to swallow in our first year back. Do you not see that? Could we not wait on this one till year 2? Is it that important?
     
  19. natedawg212000

    natedawg212000 New Orleans Saints

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    it is that important. i dont see how this is too much, honestly, its a simple chart to follow with the simple rule, if you move a guy to a new position then he takes on the #1 mod. whats confusing? i mean i really want to know whats confusing so we can make it simpler.
     
  20. Emmdotfrisk

    Emmdotfrisk Working half days on my days off.

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    I like this, if there are any issues you can refer to the chart. Very nice work Nate. Only thing I would disagree on is that a HB is able to play 4th or 5th WR with at least 65 catch or something along those lines...


    I vote yes to all instances in the first post. Effectively after the day of rest.
     
  21. Winuvas

    Winuvas OMFL Jets

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    Upon review of it, the system looks pretty tight. I'm just worried about others understanding these rules and fussing about paying double starters and the like. My worries are more cap related than anything else.

    However, as long as Jeremy/Sci and the cap guys communicate well enough, we can do this I reckon.

    As long as the rules for how these position changes take place is clear, I'm good with it.
     

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