Kick Returns/Punt Returns

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  1. I Peench

    I Peench Caught in the hustle

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    It has come to my attention that more and more guys are manually moving blockers on kick returns. After careful consideration and some testing in unranked games, we've decided to ban this. I understand the argument that the blocking logic is awful, and that you need to move a blocker outside to compensate for this. The issue is, however, that the coverage AI is equally as bad. As you move that blocker outside, the coverage team still crashes inside as they would if you didn't, resulting in an easy opportunity to bounce returns outside.

    The bottom line? Doing things the game wasn't programmed to react to throws AI off.

    If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to take it to the PM. I ask that you please respect our efforts to minimize the drama and bickering on the boards, though thoughtful and respectful discussion is always encouraged.

    -Steve

    P.S. - Let's start using the "TMFL" tag more judiciously, ok? I thought this warranted it.
     
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  2. I Peench

    I Peench Caught in the hustle

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    I'd also just like to add that defensively we should be limiting the amount of weaving we're doing with our user defender. You can get off blocks with the right or left stick, and it's much more realistic. It's an old habit of mine personally from my youth that I had to consciously break, but it can be done.
     
  3. antcap24

    antcap24 Walk On

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    Sounds good to me.

    On a different but somewhat related note...

    How do you feel we should handle the FG glitch when either yourself or your opponent has experienced it?

    I had a game recently against Miami and he was experiencing the FG glitch where he could not kick any FGs or XPs. We decided to make it fair that I wouldnt attempt FGs because he couldnt.

    Is there a standard that we should adopt on something like this?

    Just curious and putting it out there as it relates to gameplay issues.
     
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  4. I Peench

    I Peench Caught in the hustle

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    I thought Moon and I had a pretty reasonable solution:

    -Anything beyond the 35 and you punt on 4th.
    -Anything inside the 35 and you go for it on 4th.
    -Both teams go for 2 point conversions.
     
  5. antcap24

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    That is basically what we had decided on in our game.

    Will that be the standard to handle the glitch going forward or is it up to the opponent's agreement at the time?
     
  6. CalebMackie

    CalebMackie Easy like Sunday morning

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  7. I Peench

    I Peench Caught in the hustle

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    I think it's best to make that the standard. Let me run it by Shaun first.
     
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  8. UofCWildcat

    UofCWildcat Bear Down!

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    Agreed on. I used to do this but saw it was really deadly. I haven't done it in forever
     
  9. dakota7

    dakota7 Former Blue Chip Recruit

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    Can't you restart? I that's not always feasible, but does it work?
     
  10. MoonBBad

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    Was it a rain game?
     
  11. Black Republican

    Black Republican TMFL Commish -- **ISYMFS** --

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    Rain games don't seem to change regardless of the amount of times you restart.
     
  12. OMlawdog

    OMlawdog Going full Cheeze

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    Also, I propose the punting the ball out of bounds move as something we should consider banning unless you are past your own 45 yard line. Its something a lot of guys do and its totally unsim.

    Thoughts?
     
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  13. Black Republican

    Black Republican TMFL Commish -- **ISYMFS** --

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    I like the notion as long as we curve running 5 yards up-field followed by jetting directly left or right to out run the poor AI pursuit angles.
     
  14. OMlawdog

    OMlawdog Going full Cheeze

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    I need to figure that move out, I had Desean at PR and I dont think I had a PR for a TD.
     
  15. Black Republican

    Black Republican TMFL Commish -- **ISYMFS** --

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    Well as ya said, your chances get lowered significantly when the vast majority of kicks are line drive'd an rolled or kicked out-of-bounds. Jackson would be deadly back there!
     
  16. Black Republican

    Black Republican TMFL Commish -- **ISYMFS** --

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    I think goal line situations should be touched on :shy: ... I've seen it often down on the 1-3 yard line coming out in a goal line power formation, and stuffed by a 3-4 defense because the defense knows a sure fire money play to bypass CPU AI blocking and blow up the A gaps. I've never seen a team at any level go against a goal line offense with 3 down linemen.
     
  17. I Peench

    I Peench Caught in the hustle

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    Let's stay on topic, at least in here. Make a new thread about the goal line stuff or PM us, I'd like to hear you out.
     
  18. Black Republican

    Black Republican TMFL Commish -- **ISYMFS** --

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    Sure, my bad man...
     
  19. I Peench

    I Peench Caught in the hustle

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    No worries man, not a big deal
     
  20. Matrix Monkey

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    After all these months I still have no idea how to punt in this game.
     
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  21. antcap24

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    It was a rain game.
     
  22. MoonBBad

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    Shaun Mason

    Another example, and another rain game. I urge you to put the sliders back to the normal levels for kicking as I think this is what is causing the issue.
     
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  23. Shaun Mason

    Shaun Mason Somebody you used to know.

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    I'm turning tags off. Woke me up. :(
     
  24. JSimms

    JSimms TLY Season 1 Champs!

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    For what it's worth, we played 2 full seasons with zero FG glitches in TLY at default sliders. We messed with sliders this past off-season, and I believe that we've already had it happen to us once. I can't say for certain that it's the sliders, but perhaps it's worth a shot to go back to default?? No reason to mess with FG sliders anyways IMO...
     
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  25. LSUTRUTH

    LSUTRUTH The one and only

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    I have had the glitch in 3 games in TLY.

    HotRod
     

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