Hey Cheez , you seem to no a lot about all of this... Can players transfer without penalty at anytime throughout the next 4 years, or can they only transfer right now and at the end of next season?
I assume you mean transfer *without penalty* right? Honestly, I'm not sure if they can even transfer at the end of the season without penalty. It might be now or never. I could be mistaken though - not exactly sure.
They used the Freeh report because it was much more thorough and complete than their investigations are usually able to be. It's a criminal investigation, yes. A criminal investigation shouldn't mean that sanctions can't be handed down. When do fairly large sanctions ever effect the people who are at the school at the time? The people from the USC scandal haven't been there for several years. None of the people from Tatgate will be at OSU this year. How many people from the SMU scandal were still there in the late 80s? You say it was bigger than Joe Pa or PSU football... yeah, it was. However, the cover up involved the head coach and was done in very large part to keep up appearances for the football program. The sanctions aren't there to provide vengeance for the victims. It's not to create closure for them. The NCAA isn't bringing down the hammer on PSU to make the victims feel better. It's a punishment for covering up crimes for the sake of the football program and the treating of the football program like it was the most important thing that allowed this type of thing to happen. Emmert didn't make the decision purely on his own. If there is a lot more involved (and I think we can agree that the magnitude is much worse), then why do you think the NCAA should have done nothing? Punishing PSU won't help the victims. Allowing PSU to play won't help the victims. - In the big CB argument that one day I definitely felt that they needed to do something, though the death penalty seemed overly harsh. Three points that people were making constantly that I don't understand (so if those with these feelings could explain, I'd appreciate being able to look at it from a different point of view... if it's not 100% limited to this case it might be even better): 1) Why should nothing be done because it's a criminal case? 2) Should cleaning house absolve teams of penalties? How would the NCAA go about punishing wrongdoings by it's members without hurting people who weren't directly involved? 3) This one is case specific, but why would punishment not helping the victims at all be a good reason to not lay down punishments? How would letting them go free be more beneficial? What else could have been done that would have helped them (from the NCAA standpoint in this) aside from the money that they are making PSU donate (keep in mind civil lawsuits will be coming)? I don't know. I see this as two different issues. One being the criminal investigation, so Sandusky raping and a group of people having knowledge and covering it up. Two, a group of people including the head coach of the football program and various people with power over the football program covering up a crime for the good of the football program and university.
From what I read, they can transfer before this season or after/at the end of this season. Those are the only two times they can do it WITHOUT having to sit out a year.
For all of you who seem to know more about the situation than anyone else involved just from media reports. This is purely for your entertainment. From a Buckeye. Not named, Shaun Mason "As a graduate of The Ohio State University, I never thought that I would be writing about anything that related to Penn State. But, I can no longer take the ignorance and lynch mob mentality of many of the media outlets, as well as the general populace. It has always amazed me that we (readers and listeners of mass media) have become so lazy that we swallow every morsel of so called news as gospel. Lest we forget that the media must sell their wares in order to remain in business. With the advent of ever evolving technology that task has become increasing more difficult. As a result, the media too have evolved. What used to be a respected profession, where journalistic integrity and the reporting of the facts were not only the norm, but were sacred and guarded, has now become a mission to remain relevant and profitable. Their integrity and reporting of the facts have often taken a back seat to the sensationalizing of some facet of the news. It’s no longer good enough to simply report the facts and allow the readers or listeners to form their own judgment or opinion. Many articles today are merely watered down editorials with morsels of the truth thrown in so one could call it a news article. I believe that the media are the most powerful people in the world. We have been led to believe, in fact brain washed in a sense, to accept the words of the media as an unbiased and fair representation of the facts. The Sandusky Sex Scandal, or as it’s better know the Penn State Sex Scandal… because the word “Sandusky” won’t sell as many papers or TV ads as “Penn State”, is a prime example of the media gone wrong. I continue to be amazed by the irrational comments from generally intelligent people. Their naive acceptance of the media’s portrayal of the students/athletes, as well as Joe Paterno and other officials at Penn State is very bothersome to me and it should be to you. For those of us who have actually read Louis Freeh’s report (which is the most comprehensive study about the Sandusky Sex Scandal) with an open mind, it must make you wonder about a number of things. One of the most basic tenets of the entire document has been largely ignored by media. The report clearly states that in 1998 an investigation took place regarding Sandusky and alleged misconduct with young boys. The District Attorney along with the police department and several state organizations conducted numerous interviews. School officials, parents and alleged victims were all questioned. The investigation was closed and no charges were filed.Sandusky should have been stopped in 1998. He wasn’t. The report went on to say that law enforcement and child welfare officials were ill equipped and not sufficiently trained to adequately recognize and handle adolescent sexual abuse. What? Why isn’t that the headline? Apparently, that won’t sell as many ads or newspapers. That one sentence shines a whole new light on this entire tragedy. If the professionals who are hired to serve and protect didn’t have the proper knowledge, training and education as it pertained to adolescent abuse, what makes everyone think that a football coach or academic officials should? However, not one media outlet picked up on that and reported the finding. Apparently, it wasn’t sensational enough.In 2001, having been through a Sandusky investigation just three years prior, Joe Paterno reported yet another incident to school officials. Knowing the result of the 1998 investigation, one might understand (not condone, but understand) why, after the initial report was filed, there was limited follow up on the part of Joe Paterno. There’s no doubt that Paterno and school officials made some horrendous decisions. But, so did the law enforcement personnel and state agencies who were supposed to be knowledgeable about pedophiles and their characteristics. I question why the media and many of you are holding a football coach and an administration to a higher standard than law enforcement and agencies whose job it is to protect all of us? Would you hold Child Protective Services, State Police or the District Attorney responsible if the Nittany Lions lost a football game? Of course not. It’s irrational and idiotic. I’m not downplaying the acts of Sandusky. They were horrific! Further, I’m not defending anyone, but simply pointing out the fact that the mob is trying to condemn Penn State’s current students, athletes and officials for grievous acts committed 12 or 14 years ago. For the most part, today’s student body at Penn State were just getting out of diapers when these acts occurred. How is it rational or just for them to be punished? One final thought. During the same time frame of 12 to 14 years, the students at Penn State have raised and donated nearly $100 million dollars for research and a cure for pediatric cancer. Thousands of young lives have been saved or made better because of the students at Penn State. Let’s stop casting aspersions and not forget all of the good they have done. So, before you jump on the band wagon, perhaps you should know the facts and not just what the media want you to believe. I’m proud to be a Buckeye, but feel very sad for the victims, students and everyone who calls Happy Valley home."
While I respect this guy's opinion, I disagree with this statement wholeheartedly. Nobody is blaming Penn State students. Thats silly that he even suggested anyone is saying anything negative about Penn State students and its almost as if he is trying to make Penn State and their students the victims here(which is so ridiculous). In summary: Poor Penn State - the media has unfairly portrayed them as demons for covering up one of their football coaches raping young boys. How dare the mainstream media portray them as demons for this kind of activity?! Its just not fair! Good for the NCAA for not caving into the pressure of obviously biased Penn State/B1G fans claiming they didnt deserve punishment.
I don't even respect the guys opinion, honestly. All he is saying is that the media is to blame for Penn State being in trouble, while trying to absolve blame from the culture that surrounded Penn State that allowed these atrocities to occur. The media did not cover-up Sandusky's child rape - Paterno, Curley, Schultz, and Spanier did The media did not lie to a grand jury - Paterno, Curley, Schultz, and Spanier did If Penn State students, fans, and alumni have a problem with their idol being nothing more than a lying piece of shit that willfully allowed a child rapist to roam their campus for at least 14 years, then there is a problem with Penn State's culture. That is exactly what the FSS Report stated, and also what Mark Emmert claimed yesterday (while not doing anything that would help "fix" said culture).
I want to ask you guys this...since I have not stated my opinion on the matter at all...and continue not to do so. You do understand fully that (it was even stated in the Freeh report and has not been discussed in the media) that there was an investigation in 1998. The law enforcement and Attorney General did not put to trial or find anything substantial against Jerry Sandusky? Yet, no where in the above post does he say "The media is to blame for PSU's trouble" nor does it say "The media covered up the rape", but you say that it does. Nor does it say that the media lied to the grand jury, but you say it does. You also say the "culture" around PSU is what allowed this to happen, which sounds like you're saying everyone related to PSU allowed this to happen, especially when you say that PSU students, fans, and alumni have a problem with their idol being...la de da. That is all the same type of talk I have seen from trolls in other forums. It simply states that the media fails to give you everything. Thats with this case and with multiple other scandals. I want to know, how many of you read the ENTIRE Freeh report, and not just the "summaries" of the report? Also, did you do this unbiased?
Certainly. But the 1998 issue is meant only to show that the 2001 events were not done in a vacuum but that Paterno et al had known about a prior accusation against Sandusky and then did NOTHING in 2001. You have an accusation that turns up nothing in 1998 and allow Sandusky to continue doing what he's doing. I don't agree with that, but maybe Paterno wanted to give his friend the benefit of the doubt. Still don't agree, but whatever. Then you got to 2001 and the events that occurred are unjustifiable. Period. No, what they're saying is that when you have a President try to take down Paterno and the president LOSES, and resigns, that fosters an atmosphere of power for Paterno and his staff. When you have the AD be hand-picked by Paterno, that fosters an atmosphere of power around Paterno and his staff. What they and I am saying is that when you have janitors scared witless about informing the right people about what they saw happening because of the power dynamics at Penn State that's a big fucking deal. And while the janitors certainly deserve the blame for putting their jobs ahead of turning in a child predator, they are the proof that the culture at Penn State was, in fact, to blame for these events continuing to happen. Notice the word continuing. Sandusky alone bears the blame for these events happening. Paterno et al. deserve the blame for allowing these events to happen beyond 2001. That is indisputable and worthy of the utmost contempt. Of course the media fails to give you everything. They have never given you everything. But nowadays with the internet, mass communication, etc. it is more possible than ever for individuals to fill in the blanks of media reports. But for this case specifically: What exactly is the media not reporting that could possibly change one's opinion about Paterno et al. in this situation? Because the 1998 investigation turning up nothing didn't happen in a vacuum, it's used to show that there was a PATTERN of behavior on the part of Sandusky. A pattern that Paterno et al did not act upon. To say nothing of Paterno then lying to a grand jury about his knowledge OF the 1998 investigation. I confess that I haven't read every single word in the report but I've read further than the summaries. If you have anything to contradict my assessment or the narrative of most of the media from the report, feel free to share. As to bias: I freely confess a bias against child molesters and those who willingly allow them to commit their acts for more than a decade.
I understand fully, yes. Also, this: http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/03/penn_state.html Are you going to attack the credibility of Sara Ganim, who won the damn Pulitzer prize for her unearthing / coverage of the Sandusky child rape scandal and ensuing Penn State cover-up scandal? Ganim presents a psychological report done in 1998 to an investigator from the state department, who never saw the report during the initial investigation. It was withheld from him. Had he seen that report, he would not have closed the case. Explicitly, no it does not. But it is 100% clear that the author is attempting to assign the role of "victim" of Penn State, and that they are a victim of the media. That is the purpose of his article. Those are the logical ends that are made when you blame the media. I'm saying that the fans, alumni, and students helped create an atmosphere where football took precedent over the safety and well being of children. Was that their intent - I would hope not. But the actions of the many, such as vehemently opposing the tearing down of Paterno's statue despite proof that he knowingly allowed a child rapist to be on the campus, show that these people still put their fallen idol above the victims. Only in the sick and twisted culture that is Happy Valley is that reasonable. I have read the FSS Report. However, it would be impossible for me to say that I did it without bias. I feel that it would be nearly impossible for anyone to say that they read it without bias. The appalling nature of the acts committed by Jerry Sandusky and the ensuing cover-up will jade most people. Furthermore, the people who are at Penn State are going to be biased as well because they are in the middle of the spotlight. Sorry Cimmy, but if you say that you read it with an open mind, I'm calling BS. You may have read it, and I expect that you have, but you did not do so with an open mind. You were looking for something. What that something was, at this point only you know because as you stated you have not shared your opinion (other than that you feel that this was out of the NCAA's / Big Ten's purview).
If Stalin and Churchill can come together to fight Hitler, you and I should be able to do the same for Sandusky.
I like the perspective of the OSU student, how journalism has changed, naive and ignorant readers and then throws law enforcement and government agencies out there for not being able to investigate back in 98 into the early 2000s. Ughhh I was going to make a good sized post, but screw it.... it will not matter
No. Yet, everyone, including the NCAA, makes decisions and judgement on a report filed by a member of the FBI who has also been accused of cover-up. Not saying the parties involved did nothing wrong, nor am I defending JP. -- My opinion. The NCAA acted very quickly on punishing Penn State. This is too sensitive of a case, in mine and many others opinions, to act solely on this report, comprised of speculation (that is what it is) and there still to be the due process of the law for the actual parties involved. The purpose of the article is to bring to light that there is more to the story than what the general public is told. As well, as I don't see anyone thinking it is "logical" to blame the media for covering up child rape or lying to the grand jury. Nobody is saying that. The only case to my knowledge that anyone could make that assumption would be ESPN with-holding the audio of Bernie Fine's wife in the Syracuse scandal, which nobody hears about anymore. -- My opinion. Again, the media withholds information to the general public to create a stir and give their stories more impact. Whether it is this PSU scandal, the Syracuse scandal, or any story, the media plays a huge role in the public's opinion. Without the full story, it is unjust. Nothing we can do about it, but it is unjust. This is the one that bothers me the most. No, the fans, alumni, and students have not created an atmosphere where football took precedent over children. If we knew about the children being abused over that 14 year span, we would not have just let it slide. The percentage (not including myself) that were opposed to taking down the statue, were those believing so was to support the good he did for the university, because face it, he did a ton for the school, can't hide that. The same students, fans, and alumni that you say create this atmosphere of football over children also have raised millions of dollars for kids with cancer over the years. -- My opinion. I believed the statue needed to come down. It had the wrong image. I still think JP did a lot of good for the school, donated millions, but this is not the place nor the time for this mans statue. I also believe that if you go to any other university with a major football program, that football program holds that university's spotlight. Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma, Texas, USC...other than maybe USC do you hear about academics or research, it is athletics. So to say PSU has this twisted atmosphere is pretty biased if this is what you're basing it off of. If you're saying the culture is twisted because people still support JP, I can tell you this. The vast majority of people I know and have talked to, support the good he did. Can't hide the poor judgement he made in the cover-up, to do so is idiotic. It is a culture that is trying to move forward from this by finding light in situations and whatever positive that can be dug up. -- My opinion. You say it here yourself, that it is near impossible to read this with an open mind. Whether you be a PSU student, fan, or alumnus or you be one who hates PSU and everything JP. You attack me telling me I was looking for something specific when reading it, well, don't you think the people biased in the other direction did the same? I also believe you have this understanding that because I am a student at Penn State that I have, throughout this entire discussion, have tried to hide what is evident, support JP, and denied any wrong doing by the University. You couldn't be any more wrong...but because of your vision of current PSU students portrayed by the media, you have this image of the majority of the student body and alumni that are out there flipping vans, screaming for JP's "freedom", bashing the NCAA for giving unrighteous penalties, and, maybe not you, but many others I have come across, that we have supported child rape or done the abuse ourselves. I've kept in touch with many students at PSU, the majority do think the sanctions were too much, as far as the scholarship loss and bowl ban go, and that there should have been more of a process..and involvement of the Penn State side of things, not just the president acting on his own. Apart from that, people just want to get on with it and want to see the actual criminals be prosecuted. This is a bad image, no doubt about that, but people just want to restore the image as much as possible and move on. If anyone thinks that Penn State is a bad place, full of crime and child molestors, they couldn't be any more wrong, nor ignorant. PSU is a top corporate recruiter, top research facility, donates millions to kids with cancer and recently the fight against child abuse, as well as a place that is more than just football.
Without reading all of this, I've gotten to just before it starts talking about Tom Corbett, this is what pisses students off the most.....is their are so many others that are getting away unscathed at the moment.
I'm not there. I'm still home til the 25th of August, but my buddies make it seem like people are just tired of hearing about it and are ready to move on. My buddy put in best in his FB status the other day, "No what I don't give a rats ass about? The JoePa statue."
To be honest, I wonder why the B1G is keeping them? Someone put it in good terms the other day - they are essentially a 1-AA team playing in the B1G for the next 4 years. Penn State has been horrible at basketball for a while but was a huge draw in football. It seems to me it would make more sense for the B1G to rid themselves of the embarrassing situation that is PSU right now while they can, and pick up a school like Pitt as a replacement. As a fan of another B1G school, I'm not happy that the conference basically is dragging a school along with no real value to the conference. Cut ties now while you can.
