You can also be 3 yards downfield on a pass behind the LOS. biggcoug65 I'd like to add if it is THAT easy on defense to not be tricked by that, why is it even a play? Why does it work?
Because, as coug pointed out, that's not how it's actually run in real life. The OL briefly fakes as though it's pass blocking and then take off down field at, ideally, the same moment that the RB gets the handoff. This is supposed to create space from the LBs and allows the DL to get up field and out of position to stop a run.
An ineligible receiver cannot venture 3 yards past the LOS on a forward pass beyond the LOS, I am pretty sure that is what the rule is, but I can look it up in my rule book when I get home. I teach my linemen to go after LB's for 3 steps then retreat on play action if they are uncovered.
So you are saying in game when the draw happens the OLine is coming out to block before the handoff is made and immediately at the snap?
That's the rule how I know it. But I don't know of any forward pass behind the LOS that isn't a screen. That's not how we were instructed to block on a PA, but that's interesting.
Yes, that's what I've seen. I was trying to find an example of it online but didn't find any for Madden 13. Here's an example from Madden 11 at 3:18:
it is an easy way to teach them to fire out then recover, it helps sell the run better. the pass thing depends on your definition of a screen because we run a T-Swing play where we let the DL run up field towards the QB and all the OL go get the LB's and we swing it wide to the HB, but there aren't any linemen out there in front of the HB
Like coug said, swings are an example of another route apart from the screen. 3 yards is actually a pretty big buffer for an OLineman to go out and block as well. That is quite a bit of real estate to work with. You're talking 9 feet, I know you're smart enough to understand that distance, but for some of you... Think of a basic 4x8 sheet of plywood laying in front of your OLineman extending from your feet. That is quite a bit of space to move forward without penalty on a pass
The rules is "Ineligible A players may not advance beyond the expanded neutral zone on a legal forward passes before a legal forward pass crosses the neutral zone in flight."
Correct. I'm seeing them being very effective against any defense, specifically the left side. Hence why I brought it up.
In real life, it is not that easy of a play to read. As a LB, you know the buffer an offensive lineman is allowed, you see them move forward, but you see the QB drop back looking like a pass. You have to compute both possible outcomes, knowing well enough that the QB CAN INDEED throw past the LOS, with the OL staying within their cushion. Just because they come forward, does not automatically mean run.
Like Bob said though, we're talking about a video game so that example isn't exactly relevant. I've always felt that this game plays small. That's why you see a lot of people averaging 10-20 yards per attempt passing. While in 2011, Aaron Rodgers led the NFL with 9.25 yards per attempt. That does look much improved blocking-wise. I'll have to double check that myself. I hadn't noticed much of a change and there's still the issue of no LB responding to it. You could see in that video that the only times he was unsuccessful was when there was a DL on the C and 2 Gs which didn't allow them to get to the LBs.
Am I the only one that thinks all of us have, way, way, way, way too much free time on our hands in the middle of the day. Anyone? Bueller? I have a feeling when the economy crashes, and the zombies start taking over, this thread is going to be linked on CNN as to why our country failed. That being said, I feel an Inside the Huddle coming on.
Nah, clearly this is different, that was just me talking real life football and experience, not comparing. The video does show it is something that can be stopped. It's like every playcall on defense...you pick a defense in anticipation of what the offense is doing. You pick correctly, well done. This video is also showing only 2 or 3 down lineman and the 3-4 against a 3 wide set. I'd imagine most guys are running nickle or something to that tune when seeing a 3 WR set coming..and most of the guys who run 3-4 will blitz most of the time regardless, bringing a 4th man at least.
Bob, I am shocked that a league this awesome has gotten to the point you are banning plays. Wouldn't a better option be to boot the douchebags?
nah nobody is doing anythign crazy..this is just a discussion.. the fb dive has been banned a while now.. We don't have the selection of members like you do in xbox...so there is a big difference
I just ran a bunch of draw plays in practice mode and my Olineman don't "go get" the Linebackers... More times than not I find myself running into the back of them because they don't seem to go after the LB's quick enough. Am I doing something wrong? Do you need to set them to aggressive or something?
Outsider looking in here. Nothing wrong with running a draw in this game IMO, what the issue is with draws is the pretty much the same thing with iso plays. If people ran the ball the way it was designed, there shouldnt be a problem. What makes the draw a border line "glitch" is when somebody runs a draw out of shotgun which usually is the case where the hb will get the ball and then the user will immediately take him outside of the tackles. The design is to go up the gut somewhere, but like what some people do with iso plays, they snap the ball and immediately pull them to the side outside the tackles the side they are positioned. Due to the lack of momentum or physics in this game, rbs can cut on a dime without losing speed which is also the cause of zig zagging. When the draw is ran the way it is supposed to be ran, it isn't nearly as effective. If it is, the defensive is probably playing a somewhat soft defense.
