Rams Invalid Bids - CRISIS AVERTED

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  1. BadaBing319

    BadaBing319 OMFL Broncos / PMFL Eagles

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    OK, just posting this here for reference tomorrow. It was self-reported last night by Wayne (Rams owner) that he screwed up on his bids. He was under the impression that he could retract other bids once he found out that he won on a particular player. He actually had bid $75M on 5 playres despite the fact that he only has about ~$35M in cap space.

    It was announced around 10:30 PM pacific time that the Rams had won the free agent bidding on Thomas Davis $25.5M. At that point, Wayne realized he'd be going over cap with his other bids. When I informed him that he could not retract his bids on other players, a huge discussion came up about how to resolve the situation. Dave, Bruce and I had to act fast to make a decision here. If we didn't, it would have affected many other bids that were closing in a hurry.

    The three of us all agreed that the Rams bids needed to be invalidated as they were not made in accordance with the rules (keeping total $$ bids under cap space). We awarded Thomas Davis to the second highest bidder (Jacksonville). All other bids that Wayne placed are also invalid and he can no longer bid on those players for the duration of the free agent period. All other players are fair game.

    Just for reference, here is a copy of our AIM chat where we resolved the issue:

    [OMFLBoard] 12:02 am
    (mmbruce80) so who fucked up

    (mmbruce80) rams or bucs
    badabing319 12:02 am
    rams
    [OMFLBoard] 12:03 am
    (mmbruce80) k
    badabing319 12:03 am
    rams have 75M in bids out there
    [OMFLBoard] 12:03 am
    (mmbruce80) the league guys know it

    (mmbruce80) jesus

    (mmbruce80) wtf was he doing

    (mmbruce80) whats his user name
    badabing319 12:03 am
    he claims he understood that he could retract his bid
    carolinachaos
    [OMFLBoard] 12:03 am
    (mmbruce80) where does it say that

    (mmbruce80) who has he bid on
    badabing319 12:03 am
    it doesn't
    [OMFLBoard] 12:04 am
    (mmbruce80) here are my thoughts and they stop at this.

    (mmbruce80) all his bids are dead
    badabing319 12:04 am
    idk exactly, but he told he he had bids out for 25.5M 15M 10M 12M 10M
    [OMFLBoard] 12:04 am
    (mmbruce80) they dont count

    (mmbruce80) he didnt follow the rules

    (mmbruce80) he is done

    (mmbruce80) all bids invalid

    (mmbruce80) #2 bidder win

    (mmbruce80) wins

    (mmbruce80) or those five players start over
    badabing319 12:05 am
    ok only one of his bids has been decided
    [OMFLBoard] 12:05 am
    (mmbruce80) who ?
    badabing319 12:05 am
    thomas davis to him for 25.5M
    [OMFLBoard] 12:05 am
    (sd752001) I like that part about the players starting over
    badabing319 12:05 am
    so i say davis goes to #2
    the other four are reopened
    [OMFLBoard] 12:05 am
    (mmbruce80) i think the bids are all invalid
    badabing319 12:05 am
    right
    [OMFLBoard] 12:05 am
    (mmbruce80) who won davis
    badabing319 12:05 am
    he did
    [OMFLBoard] 12:05 am
    (mmbruce80) #2

    (sd752001) rams did
    badabing319 12:05 am
    jacksonville #2
    [OMFLBoard] 12:05 am
    (sd752001) jags

    (mmbruce80) i think the right thing to do here..

    (mmbruce80) invalid bids

    (mmbruce80) may have pushed other bidders away as well
    badabing319 12:06 am
    im checking to see who else he has bids in on
    [OMFLBoard] 12:06 am
    (mmbruce80) the players reopen for another 24 hours

    (mmbruce80) from ground zero

    (mmbruce80) then all players who bid on him get another shit

    (mmbruce80) shot

    (mmbruce80) lol

    (sd752001) edelman, shockey, houshmandzadeh, antonio bryant

    (mmbruce80) is he tops on all of them?

    (sd752001) definitely

    (mmbruce80) so two choices

    (mmbruce80) #2 wins

    (mmbruce80) or all bids start over
    [OMFLBoard] 12:07 am
    (mmbruce80) he is out
    badabing319 12:07 am
    dave, are the other four bids still open?
    [OMFLBoard] 12:07 am
    (sd752001) so he can't bid on davis or anyone?

    (sd752001) they are all still open

    (mmbruce80) i think if we open them again

    (mmbruce80) he can bid

    (sd752001) let's do that

    (mmbruce80) but he has to know the rules and follow them

    (mmbruce80) dont overspend

    (mmbruce80) i didnt

    (mmbruce80) i made two large bids and sat on them

    (mmbruce80) to see what was going to happen

    (mmbruce80) its going to cost me on other players

    (mmbruce80) but thats my choice

    (mmbruce80) i didnt spend more then i had
    badabing319 12:09 am
    ok so award davis to jacksonville
    the other four are open for another 24 hours from right now
    [OMFLBoard] 12:09 am
    (mmbruce80) no

    (mmbruce80) we cant do that

    (mmbruce80) if one is done all are done

    (mmbruce80) if one is open all are open
    badabing319 12:09 am
    but only one has closed
    everyone had 24 hours to bid on davis
    [OMFLBoard] 12:10 am
    (mmbruce80) that doesnt change the fact he is an invalid bidder
    badabing319 12:10 am
    6 guys did
    his bids are ALL invalid
    i agree
    they don't count
    [OMFLBoard] 12:10 am
    (mmbruce80) so heres the thing

    (mmbruce80) when the others get to 24 hours its the same thing

    (mmbruce80) so if we handle davis that way thats how we handle all of them
    badabing319 12:11 am
    ok well what about shockeyu
    only bidder
    [OMFLBoard] 12:11 am
    (mmbruce80) his bid just gets thrown out
    badabing319 12:11 am
    so just delete
    ?
    [OMFLBoard] 12:11 am
    (mmbruce80) yep
    badabing319 12:11 am
    ok
    dave do the other three have counters?
    [OMFLBoard] 12:11 am
    (mmbruce80) you agree SD
    badabing319 12:11 am
    i know edelman and bryant do
    [OMFLBoard] 12:11 am
    (sd752001) all 3 do
    badabing319 12:12 am
    ok, so everything remains the same then
    [OMFLBoard] 12:12 am
    (mmbruce80) so at 24 hours #2 wina
    badabing319 12:12 am
    shockey bid is deleted
    [OMFLBoard] 12:12 am
    (mmbruce80) wins
    badabing319 12:12 am
    other three are awarded to highest bidder other than rams
    [OMFLBoard] 12:12 am
    (mmbruce80) Edleman and Bryant
    badabing319 12:12 am
    at the time they are scheduled to close
    [OMFLBoard] 12:12 am
    (mmbruce80) yes
    badabing319 12:12 am
    edelman 832 am, housh 1132 am, bryant 1131am
    pacific time
    shockey is just deleted
    [OMFLBoard] 12:12 am
    (sd752001) ok, so what about davis, it goes to #2
    badabing319 12:12 am
    open for rebids
    davis goes to #2
    im on board with all of that
    [OMFLBoard] 12:13 am
    (mmbruce80) if we give davis to #2

    (mmbruce80) then we give all the others to #2 as well
    badabing319 12:13 am
    right that's what we are saying
    [OMFLBoard] 12:13 am
    (mmbruce80) we dont reopen them at 24 hours
    badabing319 12:13 am
    right?
    [OMFLBoard] 12:13 am
    (mmbruce80) they close tom

    (sd752001) just cancel all of his bids
    badabing319 12:13 am
    right they close at 832, 1132 and 1131
    [OMFLBoard] 12:13 am
    (mmbruce80) yes
    [OMFLBoard] 12:13 am
    (mmbruce80) he is out
    badabing319 12:13 am
    and cannot rebid on those players?
    [OMFLBoard] 12:13 am
    (mmbruce80) #2 is now #1

    (mmbruce80) nope he is done

    (mmbruce80) he can bid elsewhere
    badabing319 12:13 am
    ok but he can bid on other players
    ok
    that is more than a fair compromise
    [OMFLBoard] 12:14 am
    (mmbruce80) but needs to keep it within his cap
    badabing319 12:14 am
    i am sure he will ;-)
    [OMFLBoard] 12:14 am
    (mmbruce80) agreed SD
     
  2. DJDunn6

    DJDunn6 Walk On

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    Sorry I was not there it was late on the east coast. Normally what is and has been done here is that he has to take on the new guys he bid on no matter what and then is forced to cut down to the cap number after with guys that were already on his team. This happened with Vishal last year and he had to make several cuts and trades of good players on his team to accommodate the FA's he brought in by being a bidding fool...
     
  3. Jeremy

    Jeremy The ONLY 2 time OMFL CHampion!!!!

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    I do not think we have a rule that states bids must not total what you have in cap space. If owners go crazy they will have to play the piper. The way we handled things like this in past was, NO BIDS were to ever be retracted. If a player came OVER his cap after signing players he won on FA he was required to make cap room for them. If he was unable then the board was to get involved and release players to make room for the new FAs.

    I am sorry I was not here either as this has started a bad precedence.
     
  4. DJDunn6

    DJDunn6 Walk On

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    You guys are working your tails off nice job. That being said we do not have to award players in the middle of the night either. Everyone can see the time stamp on a post so we know when it is closed. I know there will be owners moaning they need to know now so they can adjust their cap and bid on other players possibly open. If the invalid bid loophole is not there in the future such was explained with Wayne just close it out and wait to award a player. It can not be expected that someone is "on call" 24-7 to award players at 2AM on a Monday, just my 2 cents. But great job guys in trying to make the best of a situation real tough work during FA.
     
  5. DJDunn6

    DJDunn6 Walk On

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    And I know it was not 2am where you guys are I was just making a point :).
     
  6. natedawg212000

    natedawg212000 New Orleans Saints

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    ya thanks bada for being on top of this. great job. guys just dont read and follow, you done the right thing.
     
  7. Jeremy

    Jeremy The ONLY 2 time OMFL CHampion!!!!

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    Agreed. You guys made the best decision in the interest of keeping an owner with his team. That would have devastated the Rams.
     
  8. Winuvas

    Winuvas OMFL Jets

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    Agree with everyone up here. He came in late so he missed the public service announcements I made during the season. I guess I'll still have to make them next year.

    Also, there is NO rule that states a team can only spend what they have in space. That is the SMART thing to do, but NOT the rule.

    I would suggest, if Wayne would not mind and we feel comfortable with it, sharing this story AFTER free agency is done as a warning for next year. So that way people will know. Maybe even sticky it if we have to.
     

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