Random Math Discussion

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  1. Shaun Mason

    Shaun Mason Somebody you used to know.

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  2. Hova

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    woohoo to that list lol
     
  3. niuhuskie224

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    Let me try to explain here where it isn't chopped up.

    Let's take the list above. It has all of the possible outcomes on that list. If we wanted it to be 100% random, we would draw one name after another and slot it into the order it was selected.

    In order to give a higher probability on the higher picks to leagues with greater needs we must select a name from that list, and then leave it in the list. So if on the first selection, "BCS Chaos" was selected, instead on only having a 4 chances remaining on the list, the previous selection would remain until they were selected 5 times. After the 5th time they are removed from the order since they have fulfilled all of there requirements. So on every pick, BCS Chaos has a greater chance at selection then teams with less needed new members, but not greater at any time with teams needing more new members.

    In this case, BCS Chaos has a 5/62 chance on the first pick. If selected for the first pick, they would not go to 4/61 but 5/61. The numerator will never decrease but with every pick the denominator will.

    Questions?
     
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  4. Shaun Mason

    Shaun Mason Somebody you used to know.

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    That's true, but would require the removal of each slot and then a regeneration of the random number. It is far more labor intensive for minimal increase in "fairness".
     
  5. niuhuskie224

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    Agree with you there. it would not be an easy process for sure. I just wanted to post what I think many were trying to say.

    I am fine with the order just for the record. If we have the members we think we have, then this really shouldn't be that big of an issue.
     
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  6. Hellisan

    Hellisan Schemin 'em up

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    There's 13 leagues and we wouldn't have a pick until 18. Just simply not fair - even a little bit.

    I really think you should do a random draft order. Snake it.

    For anybody that has more than (pick a number) slots to fulfill, give them an extra pick in round 1. Right after their first pick. If they have over (pick another number) they get 2 picks the first TWO rounds. If they basically have a whole league to fill, they get 2 picks in the first THREE rounds.

    Hut set go.
     
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  7. Shaun Mason

    Shaun Mason Somebody you used to know.

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    This isn't the list, just a discussion.

    Regardless, no matter how we do it it isn't fair to someone.
     
  8. Hellisan

    Hellisan Schemin 'em up

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    Yeah but certain steps can be taken to make it as fair as possible. I really think that a random order for the entire thing is just way off base.

    Just as a "for instance" - If somebody is not going to have a "first round" pick, it should be a league that only needs 1-2 people. No leagues that need a lot of people should be waiting until 18+ to pick. Again I know this isn't the actual list but I submit that for your consideration.
     
  9. Shaun Mason

    Shaun Mason Somebody you used to know.

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    So, what is "on base"?
     
  10. BDSDIGITAL

    BDSDIGITAL One Time for your Mind

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    Why not just do something like this?

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    Not necessarily in this order. But all you would have to do is randomize round 1 and then snake it until leagues are full. The majority will be full in 4 rounds. For some reason this seems fair to me. Maybe even giving Dru, Ryno, and Hova extra picks between rounds to give the emptier leagues some sort of bonus to help even the field some.
     
  11. Shaun Mason

    Shaun Mason Somebody you used to know.

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    I don't mind doing a Serpentine draft, the only reason though is because being at the tail end is beneficial.
     
  12. Hellisan

    Hellisan Schemin 'em up

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    Looks pretty on base to me. The only thing I'd do differently is not give the leagues with one spot to fill a first round pick. But that's nitpicking. I don't think many people would look at something like that and think it's not fair.
     
  13. Shaun Mason

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    Alright, I have both Xbox/PS3 generated as a serpentine draft...just waiting on Drifter to look it over.
     
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  14. Shaun Mason

    Shaun Mason Somebody you used to know.

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    I will say the people who complained when I randomized each pick where the ones who got pushed down the draft...even though that is the best spot to be.
     

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