Discussion in 'After Midnight' started by SatansAngel1104, Aug 6, 2013.
And my punter is worse and I'm jealous.
If it makes you feel better, Fera couldn't kick it away from Seatrunk.
I couldn't care if guys use P's as kickers or vice versa.
Geez just indulge my boredom poll
Thats why i put in silly answers too
I did .....
All things considered, it's not very sim and I won't do it, but whatever. The schools that use the same kicker for both punts and field goals are few. Looking at the top 120 kickers and punters last year, only 8 performed both duties and only 2 of them were Top 20 kickers (FG made); only one was a Top 20 punter (avg wise).
It would be interesting to have a penalty on accuracy, I know punters sometimes get those 60yd attempts but there is certainly a difference in punting and place kicking.
In 4th horseman I dont allow it.....
@Cheez will prolly avoid this subject altogether, as he was kicking 65 yarders with his stupid punter 2 versions ago. I hate it myself. I don't mind if the punter is the kickoff guy, but to kick FG's it's not sim at all unless all you could get was a second P in the recruiting game and have to convert him.
And when y'all starting throwing a fit... I stopped
Whatever the group wants is fine with me.
So.....doing something that @Boom29 said 8 teams did last year (one guy as P/K) is not good, but 2 out of 12 users using a defense that is barely used in real life is ok? Riiiigggghhhhttttt.....
I currently sub my punter in for kicks over 50. but I don't really see this being an issue past year one. People can just position swap in the offseason to have the preferred kicker at K.
I'm serious in a sense regarding what I posted earlier. Why is it less sim to do something that 8 teams did last year (use one player for K/P duties) than to use a defense that 3 teams used last year?
You're right. I support your argument
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but choosing to play the 3-3-5 or 4-2-5 requires a concerted effort to recruit players to the system and to recognize the strengths/weaknesses of the defense (in theory). The kicker/punter thing, there's absolutely no drawback involved because the game does not really adjust ratings for those positions.
On a related note, I do agree that use of the 3-3-5/4-2-5 should be limited, but it is hard to judge where the limit should be. From my observations watching college football, the teams that run either of those defenses are generally mid/lower tier teams that don't have the players to run a traditional system. When West Virginia and TCU started to run the 3-3-5 and 4-2-5 respectively, they were not the caliber of team that they are today.
I'm really just playing devils advocate. I just don't think you can use the logic that you can't play one guy as P/K because only 8 teams did it last year but then we allow the 3-3-5 which 3 teams used. To be honest, UCLA has used one guy for punting and kicking at least twice that I can remember in the past 10-15 years, and that's just one school. I honestly don't see how it's really an issue.
The more I play the game and see game results the more I start thinking the 3-3-5 is busted again. The 4-2-5 seems fine, but something about the 2 safety's and 3 LB's in space fucks up the CPU blocking logic, as it has done in the past. There's a reason in real life that only 3 teams run that set, while several more use the 4-2-5. There aren't many DL out there that can be run stuffers in a 3 man front, and the teams that use that defense (such as WVU) pretty much are terrible defensively because you can't stop the run without really top notch DL in a 3 man front, in real life anyway. Now in the game, it doesn't really matter, because your OL just doesn't pick up LB's at all vs that set.
But if it's allowed, it's allowed.
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