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  1. shane79013

    shane79013 Walk On

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    Random Question

    I am in the process of recording my season stats and i noticed my 2nd string RB had 20 broken tackles against Air Force, that is insane.

    so what is the most broken tackles one of your running backs has ever had in 1 game?
     
  2. JHeb

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    I'm not sure but I say with certainty it dang sure wasn't TWENTY!! Giminy....
     
  3. jello1717

    jello1717 "Those who stay will be champions." -- Bo

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    Do you use a lot of aggressive game planning Shane (I'm not saying it's bad if you do, I'm just curious)? I can't imagine getting those kind of broken tackles and I run the ball 50+ times a game. I've also noticed that your O-lineman get a decent number of pancakes while I've never been able to get many pancakes in any of my dynasties without my run blocking being at 55. At 50 and below, I get hardly any, while at 55 I get too many (in my Michigan offline dynasty, I would've gotten about 70+ if I used 55 run blocking).

    How do you get some many broken tackles and pancakes? Is it aggressive running and blocking? I'm way too scared to try aggressive running as I don't want to fumble and I've tried aggressive blocking from time to time but it never takes long to get that crucial drive killing clipping call so I turn that off.

    The lack of pancakes is the one that really bugs me (I have dynasties with CSU, UNC, and 2 with Michigan so 3 of 4 teams are good) as I know that I'll never even have a 2nd team all conference guy because I can't get enough pancakes.
     
  4. jello1717

    jello1717 "Those who stay will be champions." -- Bo

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    Oh yeah. And to answer your question....

    I don't do avid for this OD, but I do full avid for my Michigan OD. The most broken tackles I had in a game there was only 4.

    Here are my best performances of '09 sorted by broken tackles:

    Column 1
    Year Game Player AC YR ATTatt YDSyds AVGavg_yds_carry TDtd LONGlong_run After 1st Hitafter_first 20+twentyplus Brkn TklDescbrkn_tkl FUMBfumb
    2009 Western Michigan Tate Forcier FR 10 75 7.5 0 32 44 1 4 0
    2009 Eastern Michigan Michael Shaw SO 5 47 9.4 0 17 28 0 3 0
    2009 Western Michigan Brandon Minor SR 8 50 6.2 2 14 13 0 2 0
    2009 Illinois Michael Shaw SO 6 34 5.7 0 37 11 1 2 0
    2009 Eastern Michigan Tate Forcier FR 9 13 1.4 0 14 7 0 2 1
    2009 Notre Dame Michael Shaw SO 2 11 5.5 0 7 4 0 2 0
    2009 Eastern Michigan Brandon Minor SR 12 131 10.9 2 67 79 1 2 0
    2009 Michigan State Michael Shaw SO 6 32 5.3 2 12 15 0 2 0
    2009 Iowa Martavious Odoms SO 2 74 37.0 1 64 2 1 2 0
    2009 Indiana Brandon Minor SR 17 101 5.9 1 14 32 0 1 0


    And obviously you can't compare these to yours since we use different sliders, but here are my season totals for every guy who had at least 1 broken tackle (I had 7 guys who ran the ball and didn't break a single tackle)

    Column 1
    Player POS ATTatt YDSyds AVGavg_yds_carry TDtd LONGlong_run After 1st Hitafter_first 20+twentyplus Brkn Tklbrkn_tkl FUMBfumb
    Michael Shaw HB 68 484 7.1 5 64 148 6 10 1
    Brandon Minor HB 139 793 5.7 13 67 297 2 9 1
    Tate Forcier QB 52 76 1.5 0 32 73 1 6 2
    Martavious Odoms WR 18 236 13.1 1 64 43 3 3 1
    Carlos Brown HB 51 306 6.0 3 47 75 2 2 1
    Denard Robinson QB 59 131 2.2 1 18 70 0 1 5


    Your guy had more broken tackles in 1 game as my #1 and #2 HBs had combined for the season!
     
  5. NatiSaint

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    I just did some research into the league and their leaders... Broken Tackles - Geez guys.

    Boise BTK Leader: Jeremy Avery 51 Broken Tackles (287 carries)

    Colorado: Leonard Mason 20 BTK (187 carries)

    ECU: Dominique Lindsay 13 BTK (220 carries) Patrick Pinkey 12 BTK(204 carries)

    Frenso: Lonyae Miller 22 BTK (336 carries), Ryan Mathews 15 BTK(240 carries)

    Houston: Case Keenum 26 BTK (180 carries) Brick Beall 14 BTK (147 Carries)

    Nevade: Lukee Lippincott 14 BTK (243 carries)

    UNM: Terrence Brown 13 BTK (233 Carries)

    San Jose State: Dominuq Hunsucker 17 (223), Lamon Mudrow 12 (138), Terrance Williams 12 BTK (1 carry)

    USM: Damion Fletcher 17 btk (134 att)

    TCU: Joseph Turner 37 btk (192), Ryan Christian 35 btk (214)

    UTEP: Daniel Palmer 13 btk (132 carries), Trevor Vittatoe(QB) 12 btk 107 carries

    Utah: Beau Burton 64 BTK (195 Carries), Eddie Wise 23 (69), Aiona Key 16 (1), Matt Asiata 12 (120)

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    Some people have ridiculous numbers while others are very similar - Not sure if it has to do with the caliber of teams they were facing or what it has to do with but Utah with 64/195 carries is INSANE 32% of his carries resulted in broken tackles... How does he ONLY have 968 yards????
     
  6. jello1717

    jello1717 "Those who stay will be champions." -- Bo

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    The player I left quoted above points out a flaw in your numbers. I think that you can only look at total numbers of broken tackles (which of course, some teams have a ton of) and not the number of broken tackles/rush. Clearly that guy above didn't break 16 tackles on 1 rush. He must've been a WR/TE who got 1 carry but might've had a bunch of receptions and broke tackles on those.

    If you want to compare broken tackles to something it would probably have to be compared to rushes + receptions + kick/punt returns or something.

    That being said, I'm not sure why some guys have so many more total broken tackles than others. The same question could be made about pancakes (I really wish I knew how to get those) and sacks as well.

    Also, if you're asking why a Utah RB only had 968 yards of rushing, it's because of injury. Asiata and my guy Mason were duking it out for the MWC rushing lead until Asiata got hurt halfway through the season. He missed a bunch of games due to injury and Mason opened up a very comfortable rushing lead over him.
     
  7. jello1717

    jello1717 "Those who stay will be champions." -- Bo

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    And I'm freakin' Colorado STATE! Not Colorado!
     
  8. NatiSaint

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    I am just comparing the rushing yards since most are backs - even if you do take receptions into account, we aren't saying "Oh he has x carries and x btks that must be cheese" I am just looking at the BTKs period. Most of the guys with a TON of Broken Tackles were HBs.
     
  9. NatiSaint

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    Personally I dont think its cheese I was just looking at Broken Tackles and chose rushing since they have the most chance for breaking a tackle.

    Wish I knew how that was happening - perhaps its an elite team v. non-elite team thing but you see a higher tier of broken tackles with the better teams as opposed to the lower tier with lower teams
     
  10. Matrix Monkey

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    Power backs are overpowered.
     
  11. jello1717

    jello1717 "Those who stay will be champions." -- Bo

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    If this is the case (I have no idea if it is) I welcome the change after last year's "you either have speed or you're garbage" game.
     
  12. NatiSaint

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    I completely agree.

    Last year got so damn annoying with the speed, to the point where it didnt matter any other stat as long as they had speed.
     
  13. shane79013

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    the only thing i use on offense is the one to make me protect the ball better and im almost positive that its a conservative setting.

    Beau Burton 64 BTK (195 Carries) 968yards 2nd string RB 85 BTK rating just noticed he is a FRESHMEN YIPPEE!! , Eddie Wise 23 (69) 291 yds 3rd string RB 87 BTK rating, Matt Asiata 12 (120) 696yds 1st string RB 90 BTK rating.


    my top BROKEN TACKLE performance for the year looked like this.
    Column 1 Column 2 Column 3 Column 4 Column 5 Column 6 Column 7 Column 8 Column 9 Column 10 Column 11 Column 12 Column 13 Column 14
    Year Game Player YR ATT YDS AVG TD LONG After 1st Hit 20+ Brkn Tkl FUMB
    2009 Air Force Beau Burton FR 35 226 6.5 2 40 72 2 20 0
    2009 UNLV Eddie Wise JR 11 61 5.5 1 9 18 0 7 0
    2009 Air Force Elijah Wesson SR 2 17 8.5 0 14 6 0 6 0
    2009 Wyoming Eddie Wise JR 12 52 4.3 0 9 9 0 6 1
    2009 Utah State Matt Asiata SR(RS) 23 194 8.4 3 41 75 2 6 0
    2009 UNLV Beau Burton FR 19 72 3.8 3 7 8 0 4 1
    2009 Air Force Eddie Wise JR 7 33 4.7 1 11 7 0 4 0
    2009 Rice Matt Asiata SR(RS) 26 163 6.3 3 47 49 2 3 0
    2009 Rice Corbin Louks JR 12 -8 -0.7 0 13 28 0 3 0
    2009 Wyoming Beau Burton FR 13 71 5.5 1 9 12 0 2 1


    I dont know what the deal was because i use Florida State with same sliders and my BTK dont look anywhere near like that. RB's are a lot better, the O-line doesnt have as many pancakes either. and they are WAY better.
     
  14. jello1717

    jello1717 "Those who stay will be champions." -- Bo

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    That is odd because the conservative ball carrying does the exact opposite. Aggressive makes you break more tackles but fumble more often. Conservative makes you fumble less often, but break fewer tackles.
     
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    i know that. i only had 6 fumbles all year long though so it does its job. i dont think it played a role in how many broken tackles i had. i think more than anything it was playing crappy teams and having high BTK ratings for my RB's. i didnt know Burton was a FR untill looking at stats just now. i coulda sworn he was a JR. glad to know i have him for the next 3 years! FR ALL American. i also have 3 All American O-Linemen coming back next year to block for him!
     
  16. Matrix Monkey

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    Air Force is horrible and can't tackle, if you have a big power back that does the truck move when you highlight stick it would be very easy to break a tackle on every single run.

    I had another OD where I was Bama and Mark Ingram destroys crappy teams that can't tackle.
     
  17. shane79013

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    gay double post no clue what i was doing....anyway read on.
     
  18. JHeb

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    These forums are ALIVE...Holy crap.

    Anyway, interesting analysis on the BTK issue. Looking back on it, I don't recall my guys breaking tackles at all. I saw from Nati's stats that Fletcher had 17. The thought of 20 in one game is crazy.
     
  19. shane79013

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    i just finished uploading stats for my last 2 games against San Diego State and BYU Burton had 16 BTK against San Diego State and 14 against BYU.

    i cant wait to see how he does as a SO with some training points tacked on to his BTK rating.


    also another pretty impressive stat against San Diego State my top linemen had 13 pancakes. against BYU i had 2 guys get 11 each.
     
  20. jello1717

    jello1717 "Those who stay will be champions." -- Bo

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    DAMN!!!! I really wish I knew how you do this! On the entire season, my #1 pancaker had 13. This guy has an 81 impact blocking rating. Your #1 guy has 45 pancakes and his impact block rating is 86. I just don't get it. It's not about the quality of the opponents as we played the same teams. Here are our top 5 blockers:

    CSU:
    Column 1 Column 2 Column 3 Column 4 Column 5
    Pos Pancakes pass block run block impact block
    C 13 87 88 81
    HB 12 44 48 44
    LG 11 84 89 84
    RT 11 87 89 85
    FB 8 59 65 62


    UTAH:
    Column 1 Column 2 Column 3 Column 4 Column 5
    Pos Pancakes pass block run block impact block
    RG 45 84 86 86
    RT 37 91 86 81
    LG 29 87 87 86
    C 28 86 84 88
    RT 15 88 86 88


    So, your guys are a little better blockers than mine, but not that much. I'd sure like to know what I need to do to get pancakes. One weird thing is that I have a FB and HB in my top 5 and both of them have crappy blocking ratings.

    When do you notice most of your pancakes? I would assume they'd come from running plays as opposed to passing plays. Do you notice them more on runs or passes? I have 50% more rushing yards than you and you have over 100% more passing yards than me. If pancakes come more on passing plays (which wouldn't make sense to me) than that could explain it as I rarely pass.

    EDIT:

    I just checked your SDSU game where you had tons of pancakes. In that game you only went 14/28 passing and you ran the ball 47 times so that would seem to support my theory that you get pancakes from runs. This wouldn't explain why I can't get pancakes though since I run the ball all the time. Against SDSU, my team ran the ball 48 times for 318 yards, but my top pancaker had 2.
     
  21. JHeb

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    This really is perplexing...? Makes me want to go look at my stats and ratings.
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    Okay, went and looked at my pancakes, etc. Here are my Top 5 "season" totals: 19-11-11-10-8 and those are from my 5 starting linemen. I thought maybe it was Impact Blocking but looking at my starting 5 compared to Utah's 5, mine are only slightly lower on average than the Utes. All other blocking ratings were basically the same with very little variation from my 5 to Utah's 5.
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    As for my BTK, my Top 5 season totals are: 19-6-6-6-6. It's insane to me how Boise's Avery has 51 and his WR Young (15) has as many (just about) as my top guy overall, a RB (19).
    CSU's top guy has 20...
    ECU's has 13...
    Fresno's has 22...
    Houston's has 26 (QB Keenum!)...
    Nevada's has 14...
    UNM's has 13...
    SJSU's has 17...
    TCU's Top 2 have 37 & 35...
    UTEP's has 13...
    Utah's has 64!!
     
  22. shane79013

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    i really dont know. i mean when i run its usually a stretch play or an iso. I know i have some huge linemen though. Maybe the size plays a role in getting pancakes? i dont think size has ever mattred in previous versions though so this is a doubtful reason.

    also Burton finished with 71 broken tackles after the bowl game. I actually posted it in the summaries section!!!
     
  23. MaxAttack360

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    Man, I was excited when one of my RB's got 6 broken tackles in one game!

    And wasn't Boise State controlled by the computer for part of the season, and if they were do you think that would explain why they had a lot of broken tackles?
     
  24. JHeb

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    Yeah, some of our teams were CPU controlled, like Boise, TCU, Houston, etc. The CPU may have had something to do with it but Shane has been with us all along and has been knocking fools out at a rapid rate all season.
     
  25. shane79013

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    not my fault they try and arm tackle and they get a truck stick =/ im almost certain that its the competition i was playing though. i checked my season stats for my FSU dynasty and they are nowhere near as high. then again the RBA slider is set on 0
     

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