Recruiting: finding the diamonds in the rough?

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  1. MurkYa21

    MurkYa21 Walk On

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    Any tips for what to look for when recruiting lowly rated players?

    I signed a 3 star kicker who ended up being an 85 overall, and then a 4 star wide receiver who ended up being a 68 overall.. So is it random?

    I run the 3-3-5 defense so I'll mostly be recruiting for my defense, and then OL.

    DT - will be looking for a great blockshedder, average size - 2 and 3 stars

    DE - blockshedder, doesn't have to have great speed...could I recruit LBs for this position? - 3 stars

    SS - speed! and zone coverage, athletes

    CB - blockshedding and tackling - 3 stars

    OLB - play recognition and blockshedding, good coverage skills - 3 stars

    MLB - same as above + speed + tackling


    Offensive Line - whatever doesn't get me sacked 50+ times in a season. I run the air raid. I'm beginning to think center is the most important position on the O line, but what do you want out of your tackles to stop the speed rush of the edge?
     
  2. MurkYa21

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    Right now my board has 27 players: (1) five star, (8) four stars, (12) three stars, (4) two stars, (2) one stars

    I'll list some attributes of the 1-3 stars, a + denotes that I am in their top 10, a * denotes there are no other users in their top 10.


    caliber position run block pass block block shed tackle
    1 FB B- C- - -
    1 G C C - -
    *2 FB C C- - -
    *2 T C+ C+ - -
    *2 C B- B- - -
    *3 T C- C - -
    3 T C- C+ - -
    3 G D+ C+ - -
    2 ATH - - C- B-
    *3 MLB - - B+ C+
    *+3 SS - - D B-
    *+3 DT - - C- B
    3 CB - - D- D
    *3 DE - - C+ B
    *+3 MLB - - C C+
    *+3 DE - - B- C-
    *3 FS - - C A-
    3 SS - - C C


    Of these 18 players 7 are JUCO, only 4 have me in their top 10, and 11 have other users in their top 10.

    I found these guys based off their squat and bench marks, I think they're pretty good. I'm not sure the other users will even go after them since they have a lot of four and five star players interested in them. I'm probably going to cut my recruiting board down to 10 players from the above list.
     
  3. Timpegoose

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    I'm starting to realize a pass blocking C is extremely important. I run more of a pro style offense, and a good portion of the time I get sacked under center, its my C getting chucked right off the bat. For me at least, he doesn't have to have as high of run block, because even if he gets beat right away I can maneuver around the DT quick enough to at least get back to the LOS. Also, for lineman I usually look at the footwork and strength blocking stats instead of the general "pass block" and "run block", although I'm not 100% sure that is the better indicator.
     
  4. MurkYa21

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    Same here. Usually when I get sacked it comes from between the tackles not outside. If I get outside pressure I can step up or usually manuever around them.
     
  5. Wick36

    Wick36 Welcome to the Jungle

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    Depending on the position, the star ratings correlate to regular rating a bit differently.

    Kickers and punters will be rated very highly, 80+ usually, if they are 3 stars. The top fullbacks will often be ~80 even though they are 1 stars.

    With receivers and half backs, 4 stars will normally come in slightly lower than normal because there's so many 5 stars. Keep in mind that their ratings are gradient. Even if they are both 4 stars, the #9 WR will usually be a lot better than the #33 one. The #33 guy could just be on the level of a 3 star. Generally the position rank is more important for determining their incoming overall than their star rating.

    At positions like OL and safety where 5 stars are rare (or non-existant?), a lot of the time the #1/#2 guys will be ~81/80.

    As far the "hidden gems" go... you won't be finding any 3 star DTs who are freshman who will come in at an 85. If he has good stats, he may play a bit above his rating for how you use him, but that's all up to the individual stats and you just have to look at those.
     
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  6. Kasper

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    This is the big thing IMO as far as diamond in the rough goes. Some 3 stars can be pretty good at one particular thing. While a 4 or 5 star could be a jack of all trades, a 3 star has a chance to be a master of one and therefore could "play above his ratings" as Killer so very well put it. I get guys over achieving all the time in comparison to their ratings.
     
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  7. MurkYa21

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    Alrighty then, I'll keep doing what I've been doing then.
     
  8. Shaun Mason

    Shaun Mason Somebody you used to know.

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    Is there ANYONE stupid enough to post what they look for in players?

    Not this muthafucka.
     
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  9. IrishBearcat

    IrishBearcat tFC OD Commissioner

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    Highest awareness and lowest speed athletes :)
     
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  10. Kasper

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    Who let this asshole in here?
     
  11. MartyWebb

    MartyWebb C.R.E.A.M.

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    A good moral compass, and a drive towards higher education.
     
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  12. Wick36

    Wick36 Welcome to the Jungle

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    You say this like it's a mystery.
     
  13. Shaun Mason

    Shaun Mason Somebody you used to know.

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    I bet it is more of a mystery than you think.
     
  14. MurkYa21

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    1. I don't give a fuck.
    2. You obviously take the game a bit more seriously than I do.
    and 3. As I think I said before, my team is at a disadvantage recruiting for lower ranked recruits that my opponents aren't even interested.

    I was just asking for help.
     
  15. Keller

    Keller The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

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    That seemed a bit over the top when Shaun was just joshin.....
     
  16. MurkYa21

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    /thread.
     
  17. IrishBearcat

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  18. MurkYa21

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  19. Shaun Mason

    Shaun Mason Somebody you used to know.

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    Sorry your sense of humor is broken.
     
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  20. DirtycashDylan

    DirtycashDylan I came here to scheme and chew bubblegum...

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    Just sign 25 each class, redshirt, and 'Saban' the upperclassmen who aren't cutting it.
     

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