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I respectfully disagree with this. Its too unSIM the way it is. If we want to be REALISTIC, then I should be able to set my shot behind the ball and swing. I should be able to read greens. I should be able to see wind.

I'm completely against the simplifying of the swing overall difficulty. I do support going to analog to allow players to play whatever shot/game they choose. I'm personally ok if some want the wind mpr on and I am a strong advocate of green grid with no beads. It's in no way an advantage as you still need to physically read them yourself. I'm cool with whatever we do. I really just wanna start playing ASAP. Let's set something up or some of you add me on xbox so we can run some scrims!

Are you pushing down on the left stick (or whichever you have it assigned to) to read putts? If the ball is above your feet, it will break left. If it below your feet it will break right. Always aim about 2 feet past the strength you want. For example, if it is 10 feet to hole and 10 inches up, you would move the aim marker about 20 - 22 to get it to the hole. Search YOUtube for a video by Sloaner. It REALLY helps with putting. You will probably still want the grid on and maybe the beads still, but it really does help.

As for your comment about the wind, I respectfully disagree. When you are on the golf course you can feel the wind or throw grass in the air, but that is just where you are standing. The wind above the trees can be completely different and you certainly don't carry a wind speedometer (whatever that is called). This game has visual queues as well such as swaying trees, bushes, and golfer shirts and they are available on sim settings. Just play a couple of rounds and switch the indicator back and forth until you memorize what the shakes equate to. No shaking is 0 - 2, slight shake is 2 - 5, etc. Big swing back and forth means good luck cause it is going to suck. Plus, you can look at the settings of the round and see breezy with gusts or calm or whatever. So that will give you a clue before you even start.

And I agree with you about +80 being absurd, but -80 is just as unrealistic.

Lets get the tour started!

Dap add me on xbox. We can scrim now!

!!!

I caddied for Alvaro Quiros and Eduardo Molinari. I actually got to know Dustin Johnson, Bubba Watson and many others. They have info and data regarding the issues like green surfaces, wind speeds and hole distances but most of them end up being useless and all that mostly matters is the course practice/experience, it kinda helps them to understand those course factors. For the wind, its mainly the feeling for it and even then its hard for them to tell how fast/strong they are. The fact is that when they were in Germany, we went to a couple of random courses. We had some info, but they didn't even care for the course markers for example. Anyways, at the end of the day they both ended playing above 7+ their first round (dog legs were killing them).

My point is, that even though they have caddies, info and all of that data its still their feeling from practice that helps them the most.

BTW, dunno if you guys noticed but the last 2 clubs tournaments had really difficult settings AND most of our golfer are not that good yet. So maybe play some more of your career to get a better feeling for the game.

just him or are we all invited? Been trying to play a round with people in here for a long time with no luck

you're more than welcome to add me too! I'm off for the night but tomorrow is another day.

On a quick side note, the 12th at Augusta.. anyone know how to play that hole without zoom out turned on? The trick use to be to go out and look at the flag itself and you could read what direction the wind was going. But on sim, it's a complete guess. You can see the flag blowing, but you cant tell if its blowing towards or away from you.

That hole has bit me in the ass twice today. First time, wind was apparently blowing out, and I launch one into the azaelias... OB. The 2nd time I played it today, it apparently was blowing in and I ended up in Rae's Creek. Anyone got a tip for me?

Not sure what do you disagree with. Most of his post was actually trying to help people who are struggling.
As for the rest he is absolutely right. Give me a 12-6 swing and ill hit 13/14 fairways and 16/18 greens and ill shoot 58 every time.

As winds go the notion that you know compared to the game is false. On the course unless you are some weather guru you are guesstimating how hard the wind is. You don't say this is 10 mph which moves the ball exactly 10 yards from right to left (4.5 if the shot is inside 100 yards) as its in TW.
Same goes for the greens. I played enough grid less last year to tell it actually recreates much better life like conditions.Ive kept track on a lot of things and my stats on different putts were much closer to this on tour.
At the end of the day I don't really care. I know I'll lose as many people that can not compete ( even though they'll keep saying we are a place that doesn't care about winning) or ill lose people that think scores are unrealistically high or low, or people will simply move on to other games.
But as someone who has played 1000s of rounds every year since 2005 I can guarantee you simulation is the CLOSEST to sim a golf game has ever been

Flybys until you see the flag maybe?

Didn't really think of that. I'll give it a shot. Thanks!

Totally agree on everything you wrote.
The Tutorial video of sim putting helped me a lot and I feel pretty confidence putting without any green help right now. Same goes with the short game.

Here is the video link:

I also found out that if you are a control/fade golfer you should use the "full fade" on all of your tee shots and your approach shots.
It is much easier to swing diagonally from 4 to 10 as it was from 5 to 11. Also make sure that you add your "Workabilty attributes" to at least 40-50 !!!
Try it out. It helped me a lot.

The only problem of using the "full fade" is the roll on tight fairways in tournament/fast condition.
But I will find a way to solve this problem too.

Next on my agenda = Learn how to get the longer approach shots closer to the hole ;-)
That is still my one big problem.

A new
Simulation Mode Putting Tips

video is up.

Here it is:

I think Vlad is spot on about what will happen if we either allow the swing to be 12 - 6 on sim or decrease the difficulty.

The scores would get silly low and the people who were having no fun shooting +10 a round will have even less fun if they're barely breaking par and see people shooting -30 for a tournament.

Keep sim settings & rise to the challenge.

I agree with everything in post Vlad except for the wind thing (which I don't care what we do with, the MPH turned off). On the course you do not have to be a weather guru to be able to FEEL the wind and get a FEEL for how to adjust your shots. Just my two cents. But on this game, I just check the settings - calm, breezy, windy, etc... and adjust accordingly. It just takes paying attention and you get a "FEEL" for the wind.....

Those videos surely helped! The zoom is one thing I wish we could atleast have on though. Not to mention the shot shaping on every shot sucks! Any idea what our settings will be? I'd like to start practicing.

I just know simulation settings are not fun... I know we the game to be sim but in reality you have to enjoy playing the game.. Simulation is not enjoyable..

Im assuming if we are doing straight simulation taht there was no reason to put a vote up? I see more wanting something customized.

I love it. Played a round with Jon Carroll and we both remarked at how we both haven't enjoyed TW this much in awhile. The monotony or line up shot, straight back, straight forward is gone. I feel completely rewarded by a birdie now. Getting into the rough, you no longer think I'll still make a birdie, you start scrambling for par. Before this year playing TW was a routine, simple math: read the wind, figure out how much to add or subtract, how far left or right, do the same for elevation and hit the shot - straight forward, straight back. Now it's an experience.......this is just my simple opinion.....

I absolutely hate shaping every shot. I'm 2 holes in and hit 2 balls out of bounds off the tee... 1 of which is a par 3.

Keep in mind I'm using Tiger Woods as well, this is not fun at all.

I dont mind shot SHAPING like draw/fade, etc... and harder swing meters - but I cant stand having to hold the right stick in place after I place it - plus the cursor fading away. I absolutely love the challenge of shot shaping, but it is too hard and unrealistic to have to adjust my clubface on the lie and then hold iti n place when the cursor goes AWAY! Make it sticky - I move it, I set where I want it - then I hit my shot - however the shot needs to be hit.

I'm sort of with you on this -- but I really only have a problem with it out of bunkers. When I'm trying to keep the damn thing just below the ball for a good splash shot.....often I end up WAY below the ball and watch helplessly as my ball goes almost no where.......but I'm working on that in the practice facility. The practice facility has been a huge friend to me, it is how I've gotten used to shaping shots. I go there first every time I turn the game on as a "warm up" or when I need to work on some shit......

Spot on Dub-ya . I've loved the challenge of this game on simulation mode. A birdie feels like a real achievement, as does going around in a respectable score. Tiger Woods in the past has been a mindless yank the stick back and forward affair and I feel like this is what some people are after. It seems that people are shying away from the challenge of having to really think their way around the golf course and take a lot of care over every shot.