*** State of the League ***

Discussion in '12th Man Football' started by CHUNKNESS, Mar 7, 2013.

  1. CHUNKNESS

    CHUNKNESS Commissioner Quality Simulation Football

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    Gentlemen, it is that time of the year when things begin to wind down from a participation standpoint. As we approach the conclusion of our third season, the weather starts getting warmer and friends/families become more active with travel and outdoor activities. With that said, I would like to take this time to address the current state of the league and the league's direction.

    Recent events have brought to our attention that there are still rule violations and inappropriate stat accumulations. Now I'm not talking about ticky-tack shit that happens every now and again that can sometimes be unintentional and/or are game related. Those kinds of issues happen and can be resolved with ease. I'm talking about obvious violations that are calculated and completed with conviction.

    In the past, we have addressed those types of serious issues in private. However, with the implementation of video highlights, the league is continuously evolving and becoming more and more visible. The visibility applies not only our owners, but to any other parties interested in the league. As a result, it has become an importance that any discussion regarding rule infractions or stat abuse become more visible as well.

    We have recently generated forum discussion regarding any issues that were observed. At first, I struggled with the transparency approach as often times it is viewed as calling an owner out or singling them out for future complaints. Some owners have even brought their concerns to our attention that discussing rule infractions in the forum should be performed privately. After careful discussion between Jim and Eddie, I have realized that it shouldn't matter if our concerns are brought to light.

    What is important is that EVERYONE in the league should be able to discern what is wrong and what is right. The rules are the rules and they should be followed by EVERYONE. The only way we can do this is if we express what violations have occurred, why they are a concern, and what can/should be done to correct the issues. It is not a reprimand, nor are we viewing highlights or reviewing game stats specifically to find violations. Rather, if an observation is made or if a complaint is received, we are going to address any obvious and deliberate violations with the league as a whole.

    As you all know Eddie, Jim, and I have been doing this for a very long time. We've seen a lot of things and we've met a great number of good (and some bad) people during that time. The premise of this league has always been to be a place where we can form relationships, play video game football in a simulated fashion (within reason - video game parameters), and most of all to have fun!

    Quite frankly, we are all grown men; most of which have been involved with the league for several years. Some of you were around even before I came on board seven years ago. I cannot fathom taking this league any further under the assistance of my leadership if we are going to have tenured owners putting it upon themselves to push the boundaries of the rules/expectations or just disregard them altogether and not expect us to say anything about it.

    With all of the experienced owners that we have, there should't be any issues with blatant rule violations, but yet there still is. While we don't want to alienate any of our owners, EVERYONE has been doing this long enough to know what is expected of ALL of us. I refuse to address issues privately any longer as they just continue to be a problem unless EVERYONE knows about it.

    Now, if I am of the minority in this position, then I will gladly step down as commissioner of the league. If not, here is my proposal:

    • At the end of this 2016 season, we will change the CCM back to salary cap status. Yes, that means we would need to start new.
    • The league will be reformatted to consist of 8-24 owners only; up to three owners per division.
    • Team rosters will be the default rosters; pre-existing injuries OFF.
    • Everyone will have the opportunity to keep their current team, or they may take the option to participate in a draft for any of the available teams. As always, the team draft order would be random.
    • It will be first come, first serve as far as keeping teams goes. Once a division has three teams with designated owners, that division will no longer be open to other owners.
    • All of the rules will remain unchanged except for the trade limitations which would be modified as follows...
      1. ONE regular season trade and TWO off-season trades are allowed.
      2. The max # of players/picks allowed to be traded away in any single trade would be TWO; four total between the two teams.
      3. An accumulation limit of FOUR players traded OR received in each season.
      4. Draft pick for draft pick trades would remain unlimited.
      5. Approval would not be required, however, ALL trades must be announced in the forum so that they may be accounted for.
      6. Trading with CPU teams is allowed if the CPU controlled team agrees with the aforementioned parameters applied.
    • All user versus user games are played and require game recaps.
    • All user versus CPU games are SIMULATED with injuries ON - regardless of season timing, team standing, or situation. The reasoning behind this is to encourage owners to continue to keep a balance of experience and talent on their team in order to maintain depth and avoid losing to the CPU.
    • Advances would continue to occur every 72 hours or sooner if all user versus user games are completed before the scheduled deadline. We would also allow reasonable deadline extensions when scheduling conflicts are communicated.
    • We will continue to simulate every other season playing every even year (2012, 2014, 2015...).
    • The league will be transparent. Therefore, ALL blatant rule violations and any staff concerns will be addressed in the forum constructively. This will help outline our expectations for the rest of the league as well as anyone else who is interested in joining.

    There you have it. I know some of you will be disappointed. To be honest, I am a little disappointed as well. However, that is my vision and direction for 12th Man Football. I have not spoken with Eddie about this and I only touched upon this subject with Jim briefly. If any of you wish to participate, feel free to indicate so. If you are not interested in the proposed format, then no need to respond unless you want to. If somebody wants to try to keep the 32 man league going; please feel free. I will no longer be participating.

    As always, I appreciate what each of you have done for 12th Man Football. I've said it before, and I'll say it again... A league is only as good as its owners. You guys are the only reason why this league exists. Thank you for that.

    Feel free to reply with your thoughts and concerns.


    ~Doug




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  2. Hulk_hagen_55

    Hulk_hagen_55 Hulkamaniac

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    is this format for just this madden going forward or would it be continuing into next maddeni assume the former but double checking
     
  3. AveryB

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    I'm here to stay....
     
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  4. CSteud

    CSteud Walk On

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    I was down with this format before and still am now...hopefully I'll be invited in.
     
  5. thafuture3886

    thafuture3886 Power Rankings Analyst

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    If invited, I'm definitely down
     
  6. ThaBayouChef

    ThaBayouChef Walk On

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    Im down if invited as well.
     
  7. saintsdave75

    saintsdave75 Walk On

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    Same here, would definitely like to continue
     
  8. coachmimz20

    coachmimz20 Walk On

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    im in.. so is james music
     
  9. ferocious

    ferocious Bring it

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    If invited, I'm definitely down as always.
     
  10. redlishus

    redlishus PMFL Staff - El Guesser

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  11. cry_havoc

    cry_havoc Walk On

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    Like Kris said...I'm in baby.

    Just throwing this out there...i'd like an attempt to get the GMen :D
     
  12. Broncos218

    Broncos218 Walk On

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    i'm still interested, although I do like a league w/ a full 32 :(

    Would we be expecting 8 owners to step down, or for 8 to be pushed out?
     
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  13. PepperNY

    PepperNY Fear the Spear

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    In like Flynn.

    I know alot of people wont be happy about starting over but the main feature of the CCM is the built in salary cap this year which we have not been able to use since season 1 so I just say WHAT TOOK SO DAMN LONG :D

    In all seriousness, I'm in if I am welcomed back.
     
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  14. Hulk_hagen_55

    Hulk_hagen_55 Hulkamaniac

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    id love to be invited. also if invited id ike to keep my team
     
  15. dablakpope

    dablakpope Walk On

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    I'm down
     
  16. TwoTONS04

    TwoTONS04 Walk On

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    If invited I am in
     
  17. Michael Overman

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    Transparency/Accountability...All good things

    I appreciate your well-formed and informative words. I enjoy the comradary and the chess match that comes with a league of good solid people/owners. Doug and Jim, your leadership, attentiveness, and activity have been impressive and meaningful. I appreciate the work you do, as it is more work then anybody could begin to realize i'm sure.

    I'm excited to continue following the ship you man...so to speak.
     
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  18. NeuroticTruth

    NeuroticTruth dont know , dont care

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    I know I'm new to the league, but as I've told you before, I extremely admire the way you run this league. There was a reason I applied here and waited for a spot to open up as opposed to going out and joining one of the other PS3 leagues that had openings at the time. My hat goes off to you for making a tough decision despite what consequences it may bring, its not an easy thing to do. In this short time, I've grown really fond of this league. The four games I've played have been some of the best I've had in a LONG time. You all have truly earned my respect (not that it means anything as some of you dont even know me yet).

    That being said, I would very much like / be willing to stick around (again, I know I'm new so I understand the situation there).
     
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  19. cry_havoc

    cry_havoc Walk On

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    Hands down...12th Man runs as smooth as a Sim league can be run.

    And its all because of you guys (Doug, Jim and Eddie)
     
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  20. thafuture3886

    thafuture3886 Power Rankings Analyst

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    Somebody break out the dictionary lol jk
     
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  21. Miki1369

    Miki1369 Walk On

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    If im invited back, I would loveto be back... Hopefully with another team!!!
     
  22. pittrocks43

    pittrocks43 TMFL Steelers

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    We've been saying this for years D & we always give in. After this year I say we make the move. You know I always got your back you SEXY BEAST
     
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  23. javy0472

    javy0472 Walk On

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    I would love to be back...after a long absence from this league i have really enjoyed my time here. I want to give kudus to Doug Eddy Jim and the rest of the crew. So if you guys have a spot for me I'm in
     
  24. shiftee

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    I'm still interested if a spot opens up.
     
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  25. thafuture3886

    thafuture3886 Power Rankings Analyst

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    i'll give you a slim jim and a nickel for the steelers (y):sneaky:
     
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