***The 2009 recruits thread***

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  1. jello1717

    jello1717 "Those who stay will be champions." -- Bo

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    ***The 2009 recruits thread***

    This is my favorite part of the season. Post your busts and pleasant surprises here! I'll go first.

    My :5stars: were duds! I wasted my 1 normal :5stars: pick on a G and he came in as an 80 OVR (the same as the 80 OVR :4stars: guy I got). My 1 :5stars: bonus guy is a 79 OVR DT. At least he's significantly better than my 73 :3stars: DT, but I was expecting better than 80 and 79 OVRs.

    My best recruit is an 81 SS that was a bonus guy. Dat and I duked it out for him for a while until he came to his senses and chose the maize and blue. As an 81, he's tied as my best SS and ahead of 2 other SSes, but this is before training (which the recruit won't do).

    Overall, I don't have much to write home about. I lot of low to mid 70s guys with a bunch of 78-79 guys. Certainly none of them (other than my punter) will start and most of them won't sniff the field outside of cleanup duty.

    So, let me hear how you did. I especially want to hear about your studs since I didn't get any of my own, I'll have to live vicariously through yours.
     
  2. Archie Griffin

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    My top guy, and my only five star is MLB Kasey Gilbert - an 85 OVR. I'm happy with him.

    Busts:
    4 star CB (Eddie Woods - a Juco Soph I can't believe I recruited) OVR 74
    4 star QB Patrick King (bonus recruit) OVR 76 (not exactly a bust).

    That's about it for the busts. I may have gotten hosed a couple time this year, but what I got is good. Here are some of the highlights:

    4 star MLB Joey McConnell (who is a monster, something like 5-9, 252) OVR 83.
    4 star CB Tyrone Malone (from up north) OVR 82.
    4 star SS Marlon Lewis (from Florida) OVR 81.
    3 star kickers (1 changed to a punter) both OVR 76 - not bad for threes.

    Biggest surprise:

    3 star ATH (turned WR) Kenneth Crooks - OVR 79.
    *He's slow, but big, and has the best hands on the team right now. Gonna be a great possession/slot receiver one day.

    Overall, a pretty good class. Only one guy I wish I could cut. The rest can all have roles. Sucks how it ended, but I did OK.
     
  3. Razcalking1978

    Razcalking1978 OFFL TeamBuilder Commish

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    Pretty average in Madison.

    The Best (all were 4-stars)

    RG Ryan Burley – 81 OV, 79 STR, 88 PBK, 87 RBK
    TE Luis Patrick – 79 OV, 73 SPD, 78 STR, 78 CTH
    HB JJ Austin – 78 OV, 89 SPD, 87 SPM, 83 ACC

    The Rest

    4-stars
    WR Billy Munoz – sophomore – 80 OV, 86 SPD, 82 CTH
    P Shaun Clemons – 77 OV, 79 KPW, 82 KAC
    LOLB Adam Stewart – 76 OV, 83 SPD, 77 STR
    CB Brian Little – 76 OV, 83 SPD,
    FS Brian Reese – 76 OV, 81 SPD, 73 AWR
    SS Alexander Chambers – 76 OV, 84 SPD, 67 AWR
    WR Jamie Daniels – 75 OV, 86 SPD

    3-stars
    TE Tim Baker – 77 OV, 75 SPD, 74 STR
    QB Jon Workman – 74 OV, 78 SPD, 80 THP, 78 THA
    DT Patrick Williams – 73 OV, 84 STR


    WR Munoz will start along with FS Reese (an obvious weakness in the defense).
     
  4. jello1717

    jello1717 "Those who stay will be champions." -- Bo

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    Wow! Those are some nice 80 pluses you have AG. With Ezeh leaving early, I'd kill for either of those MLBs, let alone both of them. My two MLBs (both bonus guys) are 79 OVR (FR) and 78 OVR (juco SO).
     
  5. jello1717

    jello1717 "Those who stay will be champions." -- Bo

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    You can expect a lot of deep balls when you face the Wolverines next year!
     
  6. Archie Griffin

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    Just keep him out of one-on-one coverage (except for TE's maybe) and there's no problem. Play the deep middle, and they won't run past him.

    I bet he's got some nice intangibles, though. Speed is nice, but I think it's less important this year.
     
  7. Razcalking1978

    Razcalking1978 OFFL TeamBuilder Commish

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    There'll usually be a speedy CB on the deep threats.

    Now can the big powers stop pretending that the middle-tier teams get equal recruits?
     
  8. Shaun Mason

    Shaun Mason Somebody you used to know.

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    QB
    No recruits, but Denard Robinson transfered...he will be my starter next year.

    RB
    Tyler Brigham - 5 star from OH - 5'9" 205 - 84 overall power back with 90 speed.
    I put this guy on my board as a lark, and somehow managed to snag him. He is a stud who is better than
    anyone I currently have. He will be my #1 or #2 back.

    Matt Gary - 3 star from Florida - 6'0" 202 - 79 overall balanced back.
    He has good speed and currently sits fourth on my depth chart. He has really low
    awareness (40), so I expect him to blossom. He is overall pretty solid.
    He will redshirt this season and be my #3 option next year.

    Marcus Day - 2 star from Georgia - 6'2" 232 - 73 rated overall power back.
    He will move to FB and redshirt. Hopefully he is a good potential guy or he may get moved
    to LB or TE in a few years.

    FB
    None

    WR
    Robert Smith - 2 star from Texas - 6'6" 181 - 71 overall balanced.
    He is already #2 on the depth chart, which shows how weak I am at WR. He is
    also the second fastest reciever I have.

    TE
    Matt Sherman - 1 star from Pennsylvania - 6'3" 247 - 66 overall blocking.
    He is the starter on my team next year. Luckily, I don't use the TE that much in the passing game.
    Pretty solid blocker (72 pass, 67 rush), which is nice.

    T
    Pete Stover - 3 star from Tennesse - 6'3" 300 - 76 overall.
    Nice prospect, great for a 3 star. Will start from day one on the left side.

    Mike Baily - 2 star from Texas - 6'7" 312 - 73 overall.
    Solid for a 2 star, will star on the right side, unless I move a guard around.

    G
    None

    DE
    Blake Brown - 3 star from Texas - 6'5" 294 - 76 overall.
    Nice size for a 3-4 end. Will start on the defensive line.

    Donald Rogers - 3 star from Texas - 6'3" 274 - 76 overall.
    Good size, quicker than Brown. Will start on the defensive line.

    Clint Brooks - 1 star from Lousiana - 6'1" 282 - 65 overall.
    Not bad for a 1 star, will be depth his whole career unless he his the weight room.

    DT
    Anthony Burnette - 2 star from California - 6'1" 304 - 66 overall.
    Will redshirt and see how he progresses. Still better than some existing players.

    OLB
    None

    MLB
    None

    CB
    Vincent Riley - 3 star from California - 6'1" 174 - 80 overall.
    Great find for a 3 star. Good speed, great cover skills for a freshman.
    Pretty good athlete with decent hands. Will start from day one.

    Justin Foreman - 3 star from Alabama - 6'0" 168 - 75 overall.
    Speedy, decent athlete. Will redshirt unless needed.

    FS
    Nate Callahan - 3 star from Connecticut - 6'1" 182 - 76 overall.
    Punishing hitter will good speed. May move to SS, as he is the type I like there.
    That will only happen if I find a good fit for FS.

    SS
    None

    K
    None

    P
    None

    Summary
    I need 19 players, I got 14 and a transfer. Considering the amount of talent I have,
    this is a strong class.

    84 overall RB (5 star)
    80 overall CB (3 star)
    79 overall RB (3 star)
    76 overall FS (3 star)
    76 overall T (3 star)
    76 overall DE (3 star)
    76 overall DE (3 star)
    75 overall CB (3 star)
    73 overall RB (2 star)
    73 overall T (2 star)
    71 overall WR (2 star)
    66 overall TE (1 star)
    66 overall DT (2 star)
    65 overall DE (1 star)
     
  9. wildcatter78

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    Center

    **** Pat Gray ranked #8 and has a rating of 77.
    ** Jeff Brewer ranked #45 and has a rating of 72 with a much higher awareness rating than Pat Gray.

    WR

    ***** Daniel Tillman ranked #1 and has a rating of 80.
    **** Jimmy McBride ranked #19 and has a rating of 78.

    SS

    **** Brian Sullivan ranked #5 and has a rating of 78.
    **** Kenneth Fields ranked #18 and has a rating of 78.

    FS

    **** Charles Stagall ranked #3 and has a rating of 79.

    Recruiting Gem

    *** CB, Matt Wallace ranked #39 and has a rating of 79.
     
  10. DatNDaz

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    By far the highlight of my class is 5* MLB Paul McFarland. He was #13 overall and the #2 MLB. Came in at 87. 83 speed. 70 AWR. He'll probably be the first LB off the bench this year and a starter in year 2.

    Between McFarland, Gilbert, and McConnell it sounds so far like this was the year of the MLB.

    Other than McFarland, I didn't have any major surprises. A couple a little higher than expected, a couple who I was hoping for big things from who didn't deliver. The TE I signed (Adams) is slooooow. But he looks like he'll be a pretty good blocking TE in a couple years.

    Mike Anderson (#48 overall & #3 FS) coming in at 77 was a pretty big disappointment. I needed someone who can play right away and I thought he'd be the guy.


    Here's the full ND class with ratings on the far right:

    2010 Notre Dame Freshman Class

    Week​
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    Name​
    Ht​
    Wgt​
    OA Rank​
    Pos Rank​
    Rating​
    State​
    OVR​
    1 C Terrence Dorsey 6'5" 310 #105 #6 C :4stars: OH 75
    3 HB Ian Childress 6'1" 211 #47 #7 HB :4stars: CA 80
    3 MLB Paul McFarland 6'3" 230 #13 #2 MLB :5stars: OR 87
    4 G Mike Carr 6'3" 322 #20 (BONUS) #2 G :5stars: MI 79
    4 T Antoine Hughes 6'5" 305 #54 #3 T :4stars: AL 78
    7 FB Kirk Howard 5'11" 214 #472 #2 FB :3stars: LA 75
    8 TE Mark Adams 6'4" 261 #72 #4 TE :4stars: CA 79
    8 SS Kevin Crosby 6'4" 213 #88 #8 SS :4stars: FL 78
    8 FS Mike Anderson 6'1" 170 #48 #3 FS :4stars: MI 77
    OS WR Jason Woods 6'5" 209 #75 #4 WR :4stars: CA 78
    OS P James Williams 6'0" 190 #338 #11 P :3stars: PA 76
    OS FS Jeff Dennis 6'4" 210 #317 #24 FS :3stars: FL 74
     
  11. JHeb

    JHeb Sooner Magic

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    I love this thread, Jello...

    Here is the Oklahoma analysis:

    Disappointment(s):

    ATH Chip Downing (4*) was either going to be a 73OVR HB or 76OVR CB, so I put him at CB so I can redshirt my two stud recruits I pulled in. Downing, a JR JUCO guy, will be my CB5 in 2010 and probably the same in '11.

    FB Maurice Ralph (1*) ended up as a 68OVR with 71SPD...He'll back up Fr(RS) Buck Buchanan his whole career.

    WR Chris Davis (4*) ends up as a 78OVR, 90SPD, 53AWR and 66CTH (worst on team by 11)...Seems more like a 3* kind of guy than the #4 WR overall. Blah...

    G Jim Callahan (4*) ends up as a 74OVR...Again, seems more like a 3* kind of guy.

    DE Austin Davis (3*) ends up a 72 but with 85SPD...I can seem him contributing down the line. Wish he was taller (6'2") but he'll do alright I think, so long as he progresses well.

    MLB Rufus Lumpkin (4*) is behind my two 3* MLB's I recruited and signed...Lumpkin is a 75 while Triplett is also a 75 but 8pts faster...Dortch is a 76 with 82SPD...Overall, I'm pleased with the group b/c I was down to ONE middle linebacker.

    CB Brett Dixon (5*) I felt would be a stud, but is a 79OVR with 89SPD...He's 6'2" with 90ACC...This was a Bruce80 selection...He'll redshirt.

    CB Edward Leak (4*) came in as a 75OVR with 91SPD. He'll also redshirt.

    SURPRISES/PLEASED WITH GROUP:

    RB Ryan Charles (3*) has 93SPD and is 76OVR...About what I expected, so that's good.

    TE Ethan Reese (4* JUCO, Soph.) came out as an 82OVR which is the best on my team. My other TE's are 79OVR. Reese has 83SPD, which is the same as my next best TE. Has GREAT catch (89) which is 10pts. better than my next best TE. He's an 87 in spectacular catch (next best is 69) and his "catch in traffic" is an amazing 94 (!!!) while the next best I have is 73. All of his blocking attributes are on par with the other TE's except for IBL (50) which is horrible.

    DT Darrin Sanders (4*) was a big catch for OU. Notre Dame should have offered this dude. He's a respectable 78OVR but is the strongest DT on my team, right up there with Gerald McCoy. Sanders' STR is 92 while McCoy is 91. He'll redshirt this season but is going to be a beast.

    MLB's Larry Dortch and Derek Triplett (3*)--Both came in as better overall talents than the 4* MLB I signed (see above). They are rated 76 and 75 overall with 82 and 83 speed. Very happy with them and the future looks good with them around.

    Finally, the one you've all been wondering about...QB1 and initial Top 10 recruit, Jordan Thomas...He comes to OU as an 86OVR, 67SPD, 60AWR, 72BTK, 65TRK, 70ELU, 65SFA, 73JMP....His THP is 89 and his THA is also 89.

    We signed 15 players and ended up with the 13th ranked class.
     
  12. wildcatter78

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    Very nice ND, McFarland is sick. That is the highest rated freshman I have seen in this year's game.

    JHeb, I am extremely jealous of that TE!
     
  13. DatNDaz

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    I don't know what you're pointing to as evidence, but your class looks about the same as mine.


    Can't say I'm completely surprised by Army's class (I think the weak user controlled teams will always do better than their real-life counterparts), but it's still an outstanding class for Shaun given the significant immediate upgrade in the backfield.
     
  14. wildcatter78

    wildcatter78 Walk On

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    I have to say recruiting is much more fun this year with the rating surprises...
     
  15. JHeb

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    Agreed...I think if we really look at our guys at the same positioins, we can probably tell if a lower guy will be rated higher based on his attributes. I remember thinking Lumpkin (4* MLB) didn't have skills any better than the 3* MLB's I got and the 3*'s were faster. Turns out, I was correct. Both are better than him.
     
  16. DatNDaz

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    Wow. I know Sanders was like an A- for strength. I really liked him and it came down to him or the WR I signed b/c of the 4* limit. I'm going to lose a lot at WR after this year and if Floyd leaves early I needed a guy who can start so that tipped the scales. I figured he'd be awesome down the road.

    I actually thought Reese would be even higher. His grades were off the charts.

    I would give half my class for Jordan Thomas. He's the new T Mac (last year OFFL guy). This guy is going to be unbelievable. Will you redshirt him?
     
  17. DatNDaz

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    Is it true that on average, the higher ranked guys will progress faster/more than the lower ones? So Lumpkin might be likely to end up better in a couple years?
     
  18. JHeb

    JHeb Sooner Magic

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    You might have a good point there...

    As for your question about redshirting Jordan Thomas (QB1), yes, he'll def. RS with Bradford back and a now experienced Landry Jones sitting there. I have an embarrassment of riches at QB right now.
     
  19. jello1717

    jello1717 "Those who stay will be champions." -- Bo

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    Wow! Not only does Army lure Robinson away from me, but he also signs someone better than anyone I signed!

    JHeb's QB, AG's MLB, and especially Dat's MLB all look sick!

    Jheb deserves some kind of award for signing a guy named Rufus Lumpkin!

    Here are my guys with their ratings:
    In season recruits
    Rank Stars Position(rank) Name State Height Weight 40 Time Bench Squat AWR OVR SPD
    12 :5stars: G(#1) M. Allen MN 6'1 317 5.04 432 585 D 80 59
    30 :5stars: DT(#1) W. Campbell(bonus) CA 6'1 294 5.02 468 620 C 79 60
    50 :4stars: SS(#4) J. Williams(bonus) CA 6'1 192 4.52 378 355 D 81 85
    160 :4stars: MLB(#11) T. Swanson(bonus) MI 5'10 239 4.68 402 655 D+ 78 77
    163 :4stars: C(#7) R. Ramsey MD 6'4 283 5.08 438 640 D 75 57
    175 :4stars: G(#13) J. Hardy OH 6'4 318 5.10 438 655 C- 80 56
    203 :4stars: CB(#28) R. Sanders CA 6'1 172 4.44 283 225 D- 77 89
    214 :4stars: P(#9) S. Johnson MI 6'3 213 4.96 193 315 D 79 63
    248 :3stars: DT(#8) M. McGee MD 6'5 283 5.00 444 605 D 73 61
    635 :3stars: QB(#30) I. Heffner WV 6'0 174 4.50 307 375 D- 73 86


    Offseason recruits
    Stars Position(rank) Name State Height Weight OVR SPD
    :4stars: TE(#11) P. Anderson TX 6'3 239 73 71
    :4stars: CB(#8) A. Hill(Bonus) TX 6'1 176 79 90
    :4stars: HB(#10) E. Ward OH 6'0 202 79 91
    :3stars: WR(#30) M. Williamson NC 6'0 168 76 90
    :3stars: T(#35) O. Wagner IL 6'4 296 73 46
    :4stars: MLB(#15) J. Miller (Bonus) MI 6'0 228 79 81
    :4stars: WR(#17) A. Williams OH 6'0 191 78 89
    :3stars: DE(#43) K. Baldwin MI 6'4 262 76 79
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  20. Shaun Mason

    Shaun Mason Somebody you used to know.

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    Maybe Jordan Thomas will transfer to Army.:)
     
  21. jello1717

    jello1717 "Those who stay will be champions." -- Bo

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    Or he could transfer to LSU. I'm sure that would be sweet justice for Bruce since he's the guy that inked him.
     
  22. JHeb

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    Ha! Don't start that, you're kind of scaring me...If I was to bet, I'd say Drew Allen (probably my QB4) will transfer after the 2010 season.
     
  23. JHeb

    JHeb Sooner Magic

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    You guys are killin' me...Maybe I will play him some here and there as my primary back-up to Bradford. Let him know he's THE MAN for 2011.
     
  24. DatNDaz

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    2010 FINAL RECRUITING CLASS RANKINGS

    Team :5stars: :4stars: :3stars: :2stars: :1stars:
    1. Georgia 7 12 6
    2. Penn State 4 15 5 1
    3. USC 6 8 11
    4. Alabama 2 10 13
    5. LSU 2 10 13
    6. Texas 1 10 14
    7. Florida 3 10 5
    8. Auburn 0 14 8 2
    9. Tennessee 0 12 10 3
    10. Michigan 2 11 5
    11. Oklahoma St 0 8 13 2
    12. Texas A&M 1 4 13 7
    13. Oklahoma 2 7 3 0 1
    14. Arizona St 0 5 12 5 3
    15. Miami 1 6 9
    16. Ohio State 1 8 5
    17. Notre Dame 2 7 3
    18. Cal 1 5 7 6 2
    19. Colorado 0 3 16 4 0
    20. Nebraska 1 8 5 1
    22. Wisconsin 0 10 3
    27. Georgia Tech 0 3 9 9 1
    50. Army 1 0 6 5 2
    *54. Florida St 1 1 6


    Bold = User controlled all season
    Italics = User controlled partial season
    *Probation
     
  25. DatNDaz

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    Overall, I'm pretty happy with the results we got. The top 3 classes are definitely better than anything we could have signed, but I'd guess Florda and Michigan's are top 5 caliber after you account for the guys the CPU will cut. We need enrolled recruiting rankings like Scout and Rivals put out in the fall.

    There was definitely an element of chance involved. OSU and ND were pretty much shut out of the bonus guys (only signed 1 between them), while Michigan dominated. Florida getting several of them was somewhat expected.

    Wisconsin was always of interest to me because they're just below the top tier programs and not exactly in a recruiting hotbed. But they pulled 2 bonus guys and the quality of their players after seeing ratings is in line with ND and OSU's.

    I think we've got a pretty good balance of top tier players & quality depth while leaving enough to make the CPU dangerous. Anyone see somthing that needs work next season?
     

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