The New Stars of HAW: Defense

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  1. RFF

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    Note: This list includes players who have been drafted since the M16 cycle began (2016 draft). It's based predominantly on who are the best drafted players today, with future potential acting only as a tiebreaker of sorts. Thus it is not a "best picks" list per se, since current rookies who were fantastic picks haven't had 3.5 seasons of development time the way the Class of 2016 has had.

    Grading system was based on my own personal bias weighing all key attributes for each position.


    So without further ado, the Who's Who of players you need to know if you don't already:


    Pass Rushers
    4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs

    Superstar Tier
    1.) DE Torrea Baker (LA)
    - 2017 Rd 5, Pick 30 - Possibly the best player drafted outside the first two rounds to date, and considering he was selected at the end of the 5th round, Baker is certainly the best draft value the league has seen this cycle. He's a pure 4-3 pass rusher whose ultra-elite moves and scary athleticism have led to his breakout season (currently 1 behind the league-leader in sacks and on pace for 19 on the year). He lacks the strength of a good run-blocking lineman, but has ideal size & stellar technique to make up for it, making him that rare two-way threat. He is the driving force of the Ram's excellent defense. http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5505459/attributes

    2.) LOLB Lakeem Gibson (BUF) - 2017 Rd 1, Pick 26 - As well-rounded of a 3-4 OLB as you'll find, he can rush the passer, is sturdy vs the run, is extremely athletic, and even has above-average coverage skills for the position. Currently playing OLB in Buffalo's more traditional 4-3 defense means he doesn't get many opportunities to blitz the QB (1 sack on the year), but his skillset can translate to any scheme. If a DC ever decides to unleash the full breadth of his versatility, he could terrorize the AFC East. http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5504487/attributes

    3.) LE Hunter Marshall (HOU)
    - 2017 Rd 3, Pick 9 - 2017 was an incredible year for pass rushers, and Marshall is another who was plucked out of a later round. His skill set isn't as polished as Baker's, he's far weaker against the run, and he doesn't project as a great DE/OLB "tweener," but as a pure pass rusher, he's reached the elite discussion (currently leading the AFC in sacks, on pace for 16 on the year). His emergence this year has been a revelation for Houston's D-line, as opponents now have to worry about Marshall, Watt & Clowney all coming at once. http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5504696/attributes

    Star Tier
    4.) ROLB Rashad Graves (TEN) - 2019 Rd 2, Pick 31 ROOKIE http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5504582/attributes
    5.) LE Aundre Riddick (CLE) - 2016 Rd 1, Pick 15 http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5506212/attributes
    6.) RE Lance Bostic (AUS) - 2019 Rd 3, Pick 26 ROOKIE http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5506815/attributes
    7.) LE John Fender (NO) - 2018 Rd 3, Pick 16 http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5505426/attributes


    Coming soon... Interior DL, Linebackers, Cornerbacks, & Safeties.
     
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  2. Freakskull

    Freakskull Lobsters are mermaids to scorpions.

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    This is really illustrating the value of a 3rd round pick...
     
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  3. Keller

    Keller The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

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    Whoever is controlling Buffalo should be slapped for not better utilizing Gibson. Play that man as a pass rusher or trade him to a team who will jeez.
     
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  4. Freakskull

    Freakskull Lobsters are mermaids to scorpions.

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    There is currently no owner in Buffalo...

    PM me for password.
     
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  5. RFF

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    Interior Defensive Linemen
    NTs, 4-3 DTs, 3-4 DEs

    Superstar Tier
    1.) RE Okoye Russell (TEN)
    - 2018 Rd 1, Pick 32 - In only his second year, Russell has already developed into a premiere interior lineman. He fits perfectly with Tennesee's hybrid scheme, able to line up as a 3-4 DE or move inside in a 4-lineman package. He's got premiere strength, absurd athleticism for a lineman his size, the ability to throw off would-be blockers, and moves to pressure the QB from anywhere on the line. http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5504516/attributes

    2.) DT DeMarcus Mendenhall (BUF) - 2016 Rd 1, Pick 32 - Bar none the most athletic interior lineman in the league, which is why Buffalo feels comfortable playing him somewhat out of position on the edge in a 4-3 scheme. He accelerates as quickly as the fastest pure pass rushers in the league, but where they may be a liability vs the run he has the size & strength to dominate the edge, allowing the Bills to funnel opposing runners in predictable directions. The trade-off is that he lacks the technique to get around tackles that the top tier rushers have mastered, as witnessed by his 3 sacks on the year. But in the Bills scheme, traditionally ends are bigger and asked to be more of a run stuffer, and to this end he is as electrifying as it gets. http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5506076/attributes

    3.) DT Malcolm Ivory (DET) - The 4th overall pick of the 2017 draft has filled in for the loss of Suh admirably. He's got an other-worldly strength/size/athleticism combo similar to the previous two with the skill-set to remain on the field for all 3 downs. Strong fit in Detroit's 4-3 system. His moves aren't quite as polished as Russell's or Mendenhall's, but he is more than capable of punishing weaker interior O-lines up the gut. http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5504699/attributes


    Star Tier
    4.) DT Darren Bars (TB) - 2018 Rd 2, Pick 26 http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5506598/attributes
    5.) NT Randall Belton (HOU) - 2016 Rd 2, Pick 6 http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5505069/attributes
    6.) DT DeMarcus Russell (DAL) - 2017 Rd 5, Pick 25 http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5505577/attributes
    7.) DT Dustin Carter (SEA) - 2016 Rd 2, Pick 10 http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5506552/attributes
    8.) LE Gavin Cross (KC) - 2016 Rd 2, Pick 20 http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5506113/attributes



    Coming soon... Linebackers, Cornerbacks, & Safeties.
     
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  6. Mozaaik

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    First Seahawk mentioned was drafted by the previous owner, smh lol.
     
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    WHERE'S THE LINEBACKERS, CORNERBACKS, AND SAFETIES!?
     
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  8. akutozo

    akutozo Baby, I'm a Brown.

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    I am hurt that my Pro Bowl DT wasn't mentioned. /tears
     
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  9. RFF

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    Note: This list includes players who have been drafted since the M16 cycle began (2016 draft). It's based predominantly on who are the best drafted players today, with future potential acting only as a tiebreaker of sorts. Thus it is not a "best picks" list per se, since current rookies who were fantastic picks haven't had 3.5 seasons of development time the way the Class of 2016 has had.

    Grading system was based on my own personal bias weighing all key attributes for each position.


    So without further ado, the Who's Who of players you need to know if you don't already:


    Linebackers
    3-4 ILBs, 4-3 MLBs, 4-3 OLBs (3-4 OLBs were generally counted as Pass Rushers)

    Superstar Tier
    1.) MLB Wayman Lucas
    (PHI) - 2016 Rd 1, Pick 2 - Lucas has lived up to his incredible pre-draft hype. There are faster LBs and better pure cover LBs or pure run stoppers, but none who possess Lucas' all around skillset. He's fast enough to play sideline to sideline, possesses solid coverage skills, has an incredible nose for the football and might already be the best pure track & tackle player in the league. With 126 tackles on the season, he's become the model for a 4-3 MLB. http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5506220/attributes

    2.) MLB Lakarius Collins (NYG) - 2016 Rd 2, Pick 12 - Collins is a monster in any scheme, but he would be the best natural fit as a strongside ILB in the 3-4, where he would be without any drafted peers. His size (248 lbs) and run stopping combo are unequaled by any other drafted LB, plus he's perfectly comfortable dropping into short zones. His speed is certainly not a liability in a 4-3 but isn't ideal. The Giants can capitalize on his more 3-4 like skillset despite running a 4-3 scheme by occasionally dropping ends into coverage, leaving Collins to take on blockers other 4-3 MLBs would be ill-suited to handle. Truthfully though, Collins' abilities are such that he can play any LB position at a high level. http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5505909/attributes

    3.) MLB O.C. Hull (GB)
    - 2016 Rd 1, Pick 29 - Hull has progressed into one of the elite coverage backers in the league. He's undersized, but he's got elite speed and coverage skills that rival many starting safeties. Add in solid pursuit & tackling, and a surprising ability to shed blockers, and he's got enough of an all-around skill set to make him a plus player on any down & distance. But shutting down the middle of the field in the passing game is his real bread & butter, a skill all too important in today's pass-happy climate. http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5506514/attributes

    4.) ROLB Tre Priester (NYG) - 2017 Rd 3, Pick 4 - Priester was the hardest LB to classify in these rankings. Nominally, he plays ROLB in the Giants' 4-3 scheme. But the Giants don't really run a prototypical 4-3, as both Priester & MLB Collins track more as natural 3-4 backers. Priester himself is a physical specimen, with 4-3 OLB speed & athleticism and 3-4 OLB size. He can drop into coverage or rush the edge, allowing NYG to comfortably drop a DE on his side into coverage without sacrificing anything when it comes to QB pressure. This isn't a small schematic advantage: most teams that try these stunts are effectively saying the cost of putting players in spots that aren't their strengths (DEs in coverage, 4-3 OLBs trying to beat OTs on the edge) is outweighed by the benefit of confusing QBs with exotic zone/blitz packages. Having a guy like Priester allows the Giants to do this without putting an OLB in an unfavorable matchup. With only 5 sacks across 5 seasons, the question is: can the Giants DC figure out a way to fit this square peg into round holes more often? Is their defensive creativity enough to make up for the fact that neither Priester or Collins are prototypical candidates for a true 4-3 defense? http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5506745/attributes

    Star Tier
    5.) MLB Kyle Middlebrooks (NYJ) - 2018 Rd 1, Pick 8 http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5506099/attributes
    6.) MLB C.J. Rodgers (NYJ) - 2017 Rd 1, Pick 16 http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5506256/attributes
    7.) LOLB Rashad Blake (MIA) - 2016 Rd 1, Pick 25 http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5506613/attributes
    8.) ILB Chase Matthews (PIT) - 2019 Rd 1, Pick 14 ROOKIE http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5504858/attributes
    9.) LOLB Dorian Knox (LON) - 2016 Rd 1, Pick 20 http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5506500/attributes
    10.) MLB Marcus Travis (DET) - 2017 Rd 1, Pick 12 http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5504856/attributes
    11.) MLB Trevence Lynch (NYJ) - 2019 Rd 1, Pick 6 ROOKIE http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5504692/attributes
    12.) MLB Pierre Parker (SEA) - 2017 Rd 2, Pick 18 http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5505530/attributes
    13.) ROLB Marcus Bryan (KC) - 2017 Rd 2, Pick 9 http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5506771/attributes



    Coming soon... Cornerbacks, & Safeties.
     
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  10. RFF

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    FYI - New York teams accounted for a whopping 5 guys on this list.
     
  11. Mozaaik

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    Coach always said the Giants were in New Jersey. :p

    Nice list though, glad to see Parker made it, that actually surprised me. Can't wait to see the Finleys.

    Edit: i mean safeties. ;)
     
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  12. akutozo

    akutozo Baby, I'm a Brown.

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    Not enough to see him on the field though. :(
     
  13. Mozaaik

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    Hwat
     
  14. RFF

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    Note: This list includes players who have been drafted since the M16 cycle began (2016 draft). It's based predominantly on who are the best drafted players today, with future potential acting only as a tiebreaker of sorts. Thus it is not a "best picks" list per se, since current rookies who were fantastic picks haven't had 3.5 seasons of development time the way the Class of 2016 has had.

    Grading system was based on my own personal bias weighing all key attributes for each position.


    So without further ado, the Who's Who of players you need to know if you don't already:


    Cornerbacks

    Superstar Tier
    1.) LeNerick Jordan (DAL)
    - 2018 Rd 1, Pick 4 - Dallas traded multiple picks to move up and take Jordan, and despite his lack of eye-popping numbers, his talent has not disappointed. It's closer than OVR might seem among the top 5-6 drafted corners, and Jordan's gap over the next group is slim. But neither is it a tough decision to put Jordan at the top. He's got just enough size at 5'11 to guard all but the biggest of WRs and enough coverage skills to run man or zone--along with the ball awareness when the football is in the air to prevent bigger WR's from coming down with it downfield. And, of course, there's his top-end speed: rivaled by few, surpassed by none. He's a burner with quickness and skills. That's what you want from your #1 CB. http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5502737/attributes

    2.) Trey Browning (OAK) - 2017 Rd 1, Pick 1 - Browning doesn't quite have the smarts in zone coverage that Jordan has displayed, but what he lacks in pure coverage ability he makes up for in size & strength. His technique in the bump & run is solid but not top-tier, however he can rely on a freakish strength & speed combination to make him a terror on the outside. At 6'2 with 97 SPD, the Raiders can leave him on an island against even the elite outside WRs of the league, and his quickness & man to man coverage skills are good enough to stay close on cuts. Jordan might top this list, but Browning is the top physical specimen of anyone. http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5502502/attributes

    3.) Derron Goode (HOU) - 2016 Rd 1, Pick 17 - After Browning, the next two guys are absurdly tough to choose from. By a nose hair, I'm going with Goode at #3. No other drafted CB has the all-around size, speed & coverage combination that Goode offers. He is capable of guarding #1 WRs on the outside on an island, fast & skilled enough to cover any route, savvy enough in zones to hold up his third of the field in a C3, and can press at the line as well as anyone on the list. He allows his team to play out of multiple defensive looks, be it man/press or sagging zones, and neutralize matchup advantages. http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5506191/attributes

    4.) Zach Garner (AUS) - 2017 Rd 1, Pick 3 - Another top 5 pick leading the way. Garner lacks elite speed & quickness, and his man coverage skills are not quite as well-rounded as a couple others on this list, however at 6'2 he is an imposing presence capable of disrupting most WRs at the line, and he's one of the most dangerous DBs playing out of a zone. With his size & length and nose for being in the right place, his work in the flats can shut down a deceiving range of routes that other CBs with similar solid-but-unspectacular speed might otherwise fail to cover. Garner is equally capable of all but eliminating any threat of the deep ball in his third of the field. http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5506829/attributes

    5.) Dion Hampton (NYG) - 2018 Rd 1, Pick 1 - Another very well-rounded CB, he boasts very solid speed & quickness, good size, and an all-around coverage set. He's a bit of a jack of all trades in that he's able to line up in any formation, quick enough to handle slot WRs, big enough to play outside, and versatile enough to play in zone or man, at the line or backed off. What he lacks is an exceptional skillset at any one thing. He doesn't have elite man or press ability, he isn't a top flight zone CB, and he doesn't have that scary kind of top-end speed of a Jordan or Browning that allows DBs to recover when they might otherwise be beat. At just 23, he's got plenty of time to grow, however. http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5505389/attributes

    6.) Jarrick Brandon (HOU) - 2018 Rd 1, Pick 24 - Another big, prototypical outside CB who can excel running the man/press scheme while versatile enough to drop into zones. At 6'1, he's got near-elite size and excellent though not quite top-tier speed. He's as good as anyone in the league at taking away the deep ball as well as stuffing smaller WRs at the line to get them off their routes. He doesn't have quite the kind of top-tier agility to keep up with smaller receivers on short- or medium-level routes with sharp cuts, though his ability to sniff out the routes before the cut comes helps mitigate some of that. Similar to Goode on the other side of the field, Brandon has developed into a premiere CB capable of defending any of the bigger elite WRs along the outside. http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5506911/attributes


    Star Tier
    7.) Armond Taylor (PIT) - 2017 Rd 1, Pick 11 http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5502669/attributes
    8.) Devyn Woodson (LA) - 2018 Rd 1, Pick 3 http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5505906/attributes
    9.) Keeshawn Houston (MIA) - 2016 Rd 1, Pick 13 http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5506279/attributes
    10.) Marvin Wright (SEA) - 2017 Rd 1, Pick 9 http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5505369/attributes
    11.) Dalvin Perkins (LON) - 2016 Rd 1, Pick 6 http://daddyleagues.com/haw/player/5504596/attributes



    Coming soon... Safeties.
     
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  15. Mozaaik

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    Marvin made the list! I made the Wright pick! Get it? ;)
     

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