Ware to DE?

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  1. bringbackjimmy

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    He would naturally play DE in the 4-3 and that is what i run. would that be a ok move?
     
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  2. CWT 3000

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    What are his attributes?
     
  3. bringbackjimmy

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    hes a total waste in a 4-3(1 sack) and i suck as a 3-4.
     
  5. hoppedupford

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    that would devalue my de's
     
  6. capp34

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    I think he would be DE in a 43.
     
  7. CWT 3000

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    Me too. Mario Williams is in the same boat.
     
  8. Keller

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    This.

    The key item is we don't want to devalue DE's by allowing people to move LBer's there full time. I certainly encourage owners to move around their players in packages and things of that nature (maybe Ware is your Dime 3-2-6 LDE or something like that) but full time completely devalues normal defensive ends and further improves the value of OLB's.

    For the devaluation reason, Ware to DE is not happening - not full time.
     
  9. bringbackjimmy

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    he would be a 4-3 de i will put it this way if ware can't play end i am out because thats handicapping the system i run a 4-3. he's to good to trade and he can't cover. so now i am wasting my best player because he can't move to what would be his natural position.
     
  10. Keller

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    We're not devaluing the DE position by allowing that move - aint happening.

    I'd be interested in hearing what Jmustang1968 is doing with Mario
     
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    Well I think Mario would obviously go to DE if I were to run a 4-3, he was a DE for 5-6 years... And he is a bit bigger than Ware.

    For now I am sticking with the 3-4. I would need 2 DTs to move to the 4-3 and have an abundance of LBs
     
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    ware is a pass rusher he isn't a 4-3 olb..tell me how he devalues DE? is he crap lb that would be a stud de? no same rating. is ha way faster than any de? no he is on par with the other pass rushing de? unless you can give me a valid reason besides devaluing de he's going there, because thats bogus
     
  13. bringbackjimmy

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    he has 39 mcv tell me he is a olb in a 4-3
     
  14. Keller

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    Shaun Merriman is in the same boat - Arthur Moats, same boat.

    The point is there are tons of shit LBers that make very good if not phenomenal DEs. You allow people to make that move then true DE's no longer have the same value. People will start drafting 65ovr OLB's that are rated as 90 DE's (that sounds ridiculous but thats the difference in rating)

    It sounds to me like Ware doesn't fit your system - he runs the 3-4 IRL.
     
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    Nothing against you but I don't think it should be allowed. My DE's are what makes my defense what it is and allows me to do things on defense that others can not do. By allowing others to move Lbs to de's that takes away my DEF value. I am sure you could trade him for a good de with the same rating. He may not be able to pass coverage but he should be very good against the run. You can package him at DE on passing downs and you can Sign a good DE in free agency and blitz him in the 43 net to the DE. I am in the same boat at FB. I would like to put a TE at FB But that would not be fair. I will have to sign a FB free agent instead. Every team has a weekness.
     
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    I might be interested in trading one of my ends for Ware
     
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    i don't see how moving ware to de devalues your 4 de in your 5-2 defense? are they going to suck because ware is at de? i am not putting victor butler at DE. ware needs to be able to cover people in man coverage in a 4-3 d..hes the same rating olb to de.
     
  18. Keller

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    Most guys aren't.

    Arthur moats is a terrible LBer but is like an 85ovr DE. Its bananas.
     
  19. bringbackjimmy

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    i can't even trade him because 1.he's the best defensive player so i would have to get a shit load for him. 2. his cap penalty would kill my cap....

    so i am stuck either playing a formation i suck at or wasting my best player?
     
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    so say they have to be close in rating.
     
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    After playing as the Skins in my offline franchise and switching to a 4-3 Orakpo and Kerrigan instantly became like the best DEs in the league. I think you're exaggerating Ware's ineffectiveness in coverage even with his low ratings he's not going to be completely useless.
     
  22. bringbackjimmy

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    i played him as a 4-3 olb last yr.. he got 1 sack..
     
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    try covering a good te with a olb with below 40 MC..
     
  24. CWT 3000

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    Just do what I am going to do with Winfield. Thats put him all over the field in different packages. Why can't you just sub Ware into different formations. Use him on both end positions in different pass formations. LB in your favorite blitz packages.
     
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    The way you devalue my DE'S is, if you move a LB to a end you now have ends as good or better than mine and if i want to trade one they have no value because someone can just sign a cheap LB in free agency and move them to end. Majority of the time your LOLB will be covering the TE.
     

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