Week 1 thoughts

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  1. Juggernautblitz

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    Week 1 thoughts

    1. Preseason polls mean nothing and there shouldn't be a poll til week 3 or so. Obviously Ohio State is nowhere near the 6th best team in the country if the can barely take care of business vs. Navy in the Shoe and should be 15 - 20 in reality.

    2. I am a Big 10 guy but let's get serious, the Big Ten is no longer one of the top football conferences. Ohio State can barely beat Navy in Columbus, Iowa needs 2 blocked field goals at the last second to beat Northern Iowa, and a "talented" Illinois team gets absolutely rolled by a "rebuilding" Missouri team.

    3. Although it was only Nevada, this is the most serious, motivated, and talented ND has looked to start the season in a few years.

    4. It's good to have Alabama back as a national power.
     
  2. Hellisan

    Hellisan Schemin 'em up

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    Agreed with the above.

    The new "defenseless player" rule is a confusing one. What is the defensive player supposed to do? A lot of times, a safety is behind the WR and the ball is in front of the WR. A lot of times it's impossible to get to the ball, thereby making a hit on the offensive player the only real way to defend a given play. If you take out that option what is the defensive player supposed to do? Stand there and just make sure that after the catch (once the player has safely reached the ground?) he doesn't miss the tackle?

    These rules are killing the game.
     
  3. Mogriffjr

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    OSU has trouble with unconventional offenses...that makes them nowhere near a top 10 team IMO.
     
  4. MorsDraconis

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    I think it's more Navy being really great at running their offense. They have probably the most talented FB and QB they've ever had at Navy and create some serious mismatches with them.

    There was a reason why the offense was so prolific. With the right players and fundamentals, it's VERY hard to stop the fleXbox One offense.
     
  5. Papa Perry

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    Man I never would have thought Alabama would have ever run the Wildcat formation. At first when I saw it, I was like well we just did that to confuse them and take a time-out but then we run it more and more. I thing it would be more effective if we threw the ball out of it a couple of times. It would be nice to use Star Jackson in the offense but I believe he's like Kodi Burns down at Auburn and is too dumb to run the offense.

    Speaking of Auburn, I'm glad to see them win their opener in a big way. Even though it was La. Tech they had a lot of veterans on that team and Derrick Dooley is gonna be a great coach like his old man. As a Bama fan I hope Auburn can be 11-0 and Bama 11-0 when the Iron Bowl is played this year. It would be bigger than the OSU/Michigan game a few years back. And I mean if Bama could beat a 11-0 Auburn and then beat a 12-0 Florida, would there even be a need of a National Title game? Which I'm only dreaming. Actually I would like for us to play Texas because I think Mack Brown is one of if not the best coache out there right now. Plus Saban could shake hands with his former prodigy Will Muschamp
     
  6. BDSDIGITAL

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    Only someone that didn't watch that game would say this....

    1. Navy is a very good football team. At least Ohio State challenged themselves. I guess they could've scheduled Charleston Southern (n) alot of teams would have had a problem with Navy and alot of teams WILL have a problem with Navy.

    2. They were up 29-14 and should have went up 32-14 but Tressel went for a first down on 4th and 1 and didn't get it. Should have kicked a field goal and went up 3 scores....but it is what it is. After that Navy got a few big plays to make it close, but Ohio St. was in control of that game for 55 of 60minutes.

    3. I promise that Jim Tressel ran basic offensive packages so they wouldn't give USC any film to watch, and they couldn't run their standard defense because of the option. This was a game with basic packages played against an un conventional team. We haven't seen Ohio States real offense or defense yet.

    And on another note:

    The Moutain West needs some BCS love. TCU, Utah, or BYU would win the Big East without much of a fight......they need a BCS bid.
     
  7. Newb Slice

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    i cant believe i didnt watch the OU BYU game im still kicking myself in the but DAMN MY GIRL!!!!!!!
     
  8. jello1717

    jello1717 "Those who stay will be champions." -- Bo

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    I was surprised to see how many teams were running the wildcat. Almost every game I watched this weekend had at least 1 team running the wildcat.
     
  9. Papa Perry

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    I have to bring this up even though he stripped the ball from him later in the game. But how awesome was that plowjob Upchurch put on that safety of Va Tech. The way that guy looked down Upchurch could have went right by him but I reckon he thought: "Ah, why not?" He's gonna be a friggin freight train.
     
  10. Bamaboiking

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    I was thinking to myself, is the mountain west could steal away boise st, thats a BCS conference and they deserve it...its time they get a bid
     
  11. MaxATX34

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    I cant believe OU lost. I thought it would have to be a shootout for BYU to win. I wonder how long Bradford will be out? Other than OU the Big 12 looked great.

    I watched the whole Texas UL-M game and Texas looks good. Their defense gave up a BS touchdown late, but its nothing that cant be fixed. Colt McCoy to Jordan Shipley is going to be ridiculous this year. Texas used true sophomore WR Dan Buckner a lot in the screen game and he seems to be a strong runner at 6'4. John Chiles is going to be a good YAC WR. Also, Holy shit. D.J. Monroe is fast as hell. I really hope he gets on the field a lot this year. He could be the next big thing out of Texas. Speaking of... Garrett Gilbert came in and looked really good for a true freshman QB, completing two passes off the bat and finishing the drive with a 12yd TD run. He is like a clone of Colt, only a little taller and he throws harder. All in all they looked good, and ready to compete with the top teams. I hope the players arent overlooking Wyoming, but I am. I cannot wait for the Longhorns' Big12 opener against Texas Tech. That is going to be a good one!!
     
  12. Hova

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    OSU will be fine
     
  13. Dj391

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    as much as i hate osu i have to agree they'll be fine, theyve always stumbled over 1st game opponents thats just their way i guess but i do think they will get blown out by usc once again unless pryor can pull a trojan horse out his ass and carry them to victory
     
  14. Papa Perry

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    Yea i seem to remember them struggling against ohio last year the week before the USC game. A guy I work with kept saying the same thing: they're fine, OSU was running just a base offense, Lauranitis stubbed his toe the morning before the game. Now I know USC has to come to the Horseshoe this year, but does that even matter anymore? When was the last time OSU beat a top 5 team in their own house? Wasn't it 2006 when they beat Michigan? Then they go play Florida for the National Title and get stomped. OSU will have a somewhat mediocre season and Penn State will take the conference.

    I agree with the MWC needing some BCS love. I read an article yesterday that asked a very interesting question: Other than the SEC and the Big 12, what conference has a better top 3 than the MWC (Utah, TCU, BYU)? After I thought about it a realized there isn't one. If Boise was to swap to this conference they would gain even more credibility.
     
  15. Drifterbub

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    It really wasn't that good of a game. Once Bradford got hurt it was just yawns. Both offenses were terrible after that point. One missed assignment gave BYU the TD. Then OU had to put the game in the hands of Landry Jones and hope for the best.

    Navy did execute well, but it was really just piss poor defense by the Buckeyes. Those long touchdown passes should have never happened. Ohio St DBs should be able to cover any Navy player man to man for 60 minutes, the talent gap is that great. That WR Curry wouldn't be on the four deep of any Big 12 team.

    So, he is nothing like Colt? Colt is an accurate passer a good decision maker and is a bit faster. Colt doesn't have an NFL arm, GG does. GG ran a college offense in high school at Austin Westlake and was in for the spring, so I'm not surprised he looks half-polished at this point. Texas will have to use young WRs because that is all they have. If Texas can get their OL, DL and LBs figured out, they can be just as dominant as last year.
     
  16. MaxATX34

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    I hope Colt gets drafted by the Patriots, that would be the perfect system for him in the NFL and I think with his accuracy he could be really good there. GG played for Lake Travis not Westlake. GG threw the ball about 50 times a game there too haha I actually went and watched a few of his games and he can make any throw... seriously I went to a game when it was raining a little bit and he completed a pass off his back foot, across his body, across the field, to some kid on an out route (this was when he 17 lol). I meant he is like a clone of Colt because the offense didnt seem to miss a beat when he came in.
    As far as the OL, DL, and LBs... Its only been one game, but the OL looked very good. The LBs looked good too, at least "Muck" did, and with Texas switching to a Nickel base defense (they were in Nickel on 3rd and 2 against UL-M) the LB position should be less of a factor than in years past. The D-Line looked really fucking good, but that was against UL-M... We'll have to wait until they play someone decent to see where they are at. If teams are going to double team Kindle though, Acho is going to go nuts like he did last game. MAN I am pumped for this season!!!
     
  17. Drifterbub

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    Lake Travis, right. I get that and Westlake mixed up all the time. I think Ryan Swope was from Westlake, hence the confusion.

    I don't think Colt will go drafted. It will largely depend on his workouts, but I don't think his measurables are there. He's a proven winner, though, and sometimes that goes a long way.
     
  18. Archie Griffin

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    1. OSU played better than they're getting credit for. Navy is a solid team, and will get many wins. The Buckeyes got stung big by every mistake they made. That's what happens when a team executes like Navy does. Good team. Good game. Good win.

    2. The Big Ten didn't exactly shine, but they won. Illinois took the only loss (albeit an ugly one), and Minnesota won an OT game on the road, against a team that looks much better than last year. The Bucks won a game that many top-25 teams would have lost. Navy will shock someone before the year is out. Mark my words.

    3. The MWC is really good.

    4. I applaud Oregon for suspending one of their better players for being a douche. FSU would have put him on a billboard in times square, and launched a Heisman campaign to capitalize on the attention.

    5. I like ND, and they looked good, but they played the very worst defensive team (against the pass, at least) in the nation. I hope Clausen has a great year, but it is WAY too early to start talking about awards. His scout team has better defensive backs than he saw on Saturday.

    6. The SEC is going to be a fun conference to watch. Looks like they have a bunch of legit teams this year. I think even the mighty Tebows might fall once, or even twice.

    7. The Big Ten is (as always) better than people give them credit for. I thought this garbage might subside when all the talk of "no defense in the Big 12" started last year, but alas - another season, another devaluing of the Big Ten. I'm not saying they're the best conference, but no one gives them any credit at all, and that's just silly. The pro scouts know what's up:

    DRAFTEES THIS DECADE BY CONFERENCE

    1. SEC: 400

    2. ACC: 364

    3. Big Ten: 351

    4. Pac-10: 303

    5. Big 12: 284

    6. Big East: 147

    7. Mountain West: 122

    8. C-USA: 107

    9. WAC: 84

    10. MAC: 67

    11. Independents: 43

    12. Sun Belt: 29

    1ST-ROUNDERS THIS DECADE BY CONFERENCE

    1. ACC: 74

    2. SEC: 66

    3. Big Ten: 56

    4. Pac-10: 40

    4. Big 12: 38

    6. Big East: 13

    7. C-USA: 8

    8. Mountain West: 5

    9. WAC: 4

    10. MAC: 1

    11. Independents: 2

    11: Sun Belt: 2


    DRAFTEES THIS DECADE BY SCHOOL

    1. Ohio State: 69

    2. Miami: 63

    3. USC: 61

    4. Florida State: 56

    5. Georgia: 55

    6. Tennessee: 54

    7. Florida: 50

    8. LSU: 49

    9. Virginia Tech: 47

    10. Michigan: 44

    10. Wisconsin: 44

    12. Notre Dame: 42

    12. Oklahoma: 42

    14. Nebraska: 41

    15. Texas: 39

    16. Penn State: 38

    17. Auburn: 36

    18. Alabama: 35

    19. Michigan State: 34

    20. Iowa: 33

    1ST-ROUNDERS THIS DECADE BY SCHOOL

    1. Miami: 26

    2. Ohio State: 16

    3. USC: 15

    4. Florida State: 13

    4. Texas: 13

    6. Georgia: 11

    7. Tennessee: 10

    8. Florida: 9

    8. LSU: 9

    8. Penn State: 9

    As you can see, it's a fairly even spread. Anyone who thinks one conference is so much greater than another didn't watch OU-BYU the other night. Bash who you like, but I'll put my money on the guys who get paid to put guys in the league. Most of this stuff is just empty wind. The talent exists in a lot of places.

    So bash my favorite team and my favorite conference all you like. They compete at the highest level, and their players have long and successful careers in the NFL. It's all just wind to me.

    AG
     
  19. Juggernautblitz

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    I used to try to defend the Big 10 too because living in Indiana I am dead in the middle of it but it has simply become a losing battle. I also tried to defend OSU because I like Tressel but after 2 or 3 of those embarrasing losses in big bowl games, I gave up. OSU may find a way to win at home vs. USC and a true freshman QB but I doubt it. They probably lose next week, probably lose in Happy Valley but will still win enough games to face and get pummeled by a top SEC team in a bowl. OSU and Michigan and ND all have tremendous histories and tons of guys that have had success in the NFL but their programs are simply not on the level of the top SEC teams (Florida, LSU and Alabama) and USC anymore.
     
  20. MaxATX34

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    I hope he has a great career in the NFL, if he doesnt get drafted it wont hurt my feelings... but Im almost sure he will get picked up.
    here are some of his measurables.

    6'3
    220lbs
    4.54 40yd dash
    80% comp
    He completed a pass last year off his back foot that went 52 yards in the air. He can throw deep, its just Texas' system that keeps all his throws short. He isnt the same 170lb skinny-neck kid that lost to A&M and K-State.
    If he plays even close to how he played last year I'll bet he gets drafted. Hopefully by the Patriots lol.
     
  21. Archie Griffin

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    Anyone can lose a few games to top quality teams. Before OSU was the team that couldn't win the big one, they were the team that couldn't lose the big one. They won the Fiesta bowl like three of four times in a row, one for a national championship. The loss to Texas last year was just a missed tackle (not to take away from Texas, who played well) from another Fiesta Bowl win.

    Sure, the SEC teams are really good, but they also never, ever come north. While the Big Ten is playing in sub-zero snow conditions, the SEC might have to play in fifty degree weather, maybe. This is the kind of thing that skews stats in a big way. Tebow doesn't get those stats playing in Wisconsin. The bowl games are almost always home games for southern schools, because the bowls capitalize on the good weather. This is no small thing.

    Now, none of this is enough to make the conferences equal - not by a long shot - but it's worth noting that many of these schools have a number of advantages no one ever talks about. I'm really confused by the fact that the whole warm weather/cold weather school difference is never discussed. In almost every sport, especially in baseball, it's a part of the regular discussion of which teams are relevant, and which are not.

    Pro scouts know that more balance exists than we armchair pundits allow for. The guys who talk about how much the big ten sucks are the same kinds guys who say the word socialism without having any idea what it means - they're just listening and parroting, not thinking. There are lots of good teams out there, and many of them are in the Big Ten. This kind of thing goes in cycles, and anyone who can't agree with that hasn't been around very long.
     
  22. Hova

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    Big ten just had an off year. They will be back this year and the in the future. Pryor is going to dominate and, yes michigan is back
     
  23. Drifterbub

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    I think he's as much 6'3'' as I am 7'0'' and the 4.54 is slightly exaggerated. It's pointless to argue because college institutions tend to inflate their player's measurables. We'll see how he stacks up during his pro-day and combine workouts and that's really where the buck stops. I go through this with several people every year regarding pro prospects. I've been paying way much attention to this stuff before I was even out of middle school, haha.

    He can help himself out a ton by keeping that comp % high. He's a competitor and will have a great year, IMO.
     
  24. CaddilacRockBox

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    How about that Miami/FSU game? Can they be the only teams considered members of the ACC?
     
  25. NYJuggalo45

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    Ga Tech might argue that point. But that game last night was easily the best of the weekend and a great way to wrap up week 1 with my Canes getting a big opening week victory.
     

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